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  JWs and the Internet

  by JW_Researcher in

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  i posted the question below but it may have gotten lost in the shuffle.

  nina indicated that the jws have been "instructed" not to use the internet.

  my understanding was that they were to use caution.

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  Borgia

  The last convention required all half listening dubs to accept a resolution not to enter into discussion boards, chat rooms and the like. On the special one day assembly the term: correct use of internet, has been introduced.

  WT - dubs are not against the internet per sé, BUUUHUUT........

  When watching the demonstrations on the platform, a dub brother is always.....alone, and the introduction goes like: he is researching "some innocent subject", while being alone and unattended, and comes across a website accusing the GB of...."whatever".

  internet, alone and unattended, danger! Is it really true that you can trust a dub-brother doing the right thing?

  love hate relationship? I guess they do have that.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Prediction of large drop in JW numbers in 2014

  by VM44 in

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  i am going to make the prediction, here and now in mid 2006, that there will be a significant drop in the number of jehovah's witnesses in the year 2014, the one hundredth anniversary of 1914.. the only way this drop in numbers might be avoided is if the watchtower society can think up some way to stir up the rank and file and get them motivated to do more, like they did with the 1975 fiasco.. .

  i doubt very much that the watchtower magazine is going to proclaim loudly in the year 2014 anything about the "generation of 1914" not passing away.. --vm44

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  Borgia

  Dreamer dreaming,

  1975 has been pointed. Not even subtly, as the WT claims. It was phrased in such a way that one could only get excited to show how good one appreciated to fine spiritual food from the slave.

  The thing about 1914 is about the very foundation of the WT itself. It has abandonded all previous conceptions on the end of days, thanks to "Sober" Joe and his fellows. But it did abondon it previous conception only to tighten the grip in a political sense.

  Leaving the 1914 doctrine behind, would constitute a denial of itself. And with the current developments I fail to see the WT going the same path as the WWCG who publically announced to have erred and changed course. Although I would not completely diminish the change of suchh a thing happening. Stranger things have been known to.......

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Analysis of a Time Consuming System: Shocking Numbers about JWs

  by drew sagan in

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  weekly meetings .

  book study: 1 hour .

  meetings for field service: 15 minutes (13 hours per year) .

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  Drew, yep. I concur. The fact of the matter is, No JD is looking to shore. All they are looking at is a point into the far distance, right under the horizon, there, at 270 degrees, you ´ll find the promised land.....

  The thing is, "The Protocol" is used to not have much time on your hands to thoroughly meditate on issues. So, superficially, one knows the drill, the scripture, the reasoning. But,really putting things into perspective, into question, no time for that. If you would like to meet people with some inquisitive minds, it is called dangerous, rebellious, apostate and independent thinking.

  OMG, how far have i already swam from the safe and sheltering boat called "The Enterprise".........and took it for what it really is: an enterprise.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Dutch Society did announcement about DC at last meeting

  by Ozner in

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  friends,.

  the dutch branch of the society, has send a letter to all congregations in the netherlands about the dc this summer.

  they stated that the series of dc in 2006 has end in a loss of 75.000 euro.

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  Borgia

  Tough luck for the Dutch dubs. If its 2005, well that would make sense, but the thing is, some people at the branch want those screens very much.

  The DD´s were so much in a state of enthousiasm that they forgot to drop a few coins in the box.45.000 attendees to a loss of 75000 is how much? the price of half a flute of beer in town? (Or will the free coffee and tea that is still being served, become the thing that will put the WT into receivership......?)

  Another fine example of the immense appreciation the DD´s have for the fine spiritual enriching provisions of the slaveclass.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Dutch Society did announcement about DC at last meeting

  by Ozner in

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  friends,.

  the dutch branch of the society, has send a letter to all congregations in the netherlands about the dc this summer.

  they stated that the series of dc in 2006 has end in a loss of 75.000 euro.

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  Borgia

  Well, how´s that possible if no convention has been held there, yet? The series will last till August. Sure you got the message right? or did those 3 big screens a convention cost 75000 in all, and was it meant to be a reminder of not walking idly by the donations boxes scattered around the assembly area?

  To all of you non Dutch readers: The Dutch like those screens because its nicer.

  1) you see the every piece of sweat going down the cheeks. (nerves etc. )

  2) people in the audience stated they feel more connected to the speakerfor they can see the eyes.

  For a good days rest, you better not have those at an assembly.

  cheers

  Borgia.
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  Legal Stuff: What's The Likely Fallout?

  by metatron in

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  2. friends

  even if the watchtower survives recent legal reverses unscathed, i still find it likely that they will react in some fashion, to further protect.

  the question is how?.

  whatever they do, they need to distance themselves from the congregations.

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  Borgia

  Wt has in every cong a JC system in place. Based on some interpretation of 1 corinthians they may look for ways to evade further caals upon the worlds legal system. As example may be the timecards. Not the time slips, but the timecards the xecretary hold on to. due to privacy regulations we had to agree to the WT holding personal records of us. Quite a generic phrasology but it was neccesary to comply wit new privacy regulations.

  Analogous to that every babtized JW and to be babtized JW needs to sign a piece of paper saying what they will adhere to, especially a code of confidentiality and maybe something to the effect that any disagreements can only be settled in such and such a way. For instance by only calling upon the JC in the hometown.

  I´m not sure if it is at all legally feasable in all countries around the world or even in the western countries but I know of some countries, with legal systems which profess long waiting periods, absorbing a lot of funds without gurantees to success and corruption, where a form of arbitration may be part of the contract. Going around those provisions would automatically call for turning doen any request to have a case heard at court.

  May tie in with some other comments about a new announcement later this fall.....Just my 0.02

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Legal Stuff: What's The Likely Fallout?

  by metatron in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  even if the watchtower survives recent legal reverses unscathed, i still find it likely that they will react in some fashion, to further protect.

  the question is how?.

  whatever they do, they need to distance themselves from the congregations.

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  Borgia

  Wt has in every cong a JC system in place. Based on some interpretation of 1 corinthians they may look for ways to evade further caals upon the worlds legal system. As example may be the timecards. Not the time slips, but the timecards the xecretary hold on to. due to privacy regulations we had to agree to the WT holding personal records of us. Quite a generic phrasology but it was neccesary to comply wit new privacy regulations.

  Analogous to that every babtized JW and to be babtized JW needs to sign a piece of paper saying what they will adhere to, especially a code of confidentiality and maybe something to the effect that any disagreements can only be settled in such and such a way. For instance by only calling upon the JC in the hometown.

  I´m not sure if it is at all legally feasable in all countries around the world or even in the western countries but I know of some countries, with legal systems which profess long waiting periods, absorbing a lot of funds without gurantees to success and corruption, where a form of arbitration may be part of the contract. Going around those provisions would automatically call for turning doen any request to have a case heard at court.

  May tie in with some other comments about a new announcement later this fall.....Just my 0.02

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Covert apostate campaign

  by lost_light06 in

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  so my wife is pushing me to go out in the ministry this weekend for the special dc invite tract work.

  i really do not want to go in fs, haven't been out in years.

  i don't even plan on counting the time if i do end up going.

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  Borgia

  Stick to your guns, dude. There´s no way back if you give in. So. pray with her. Why? that you all may be doing the way God want you to behave.

  Is she really going in super freak JW mode? Well, she should know by now, that she should be very respectfull towards her head, because rebellion against Gods given provisions is something she is not considered to be doing. Instead, she should obey Gods commandments rather than men´s and go out in the FS without you. You can even support her by making the coffee and wish her a blessfull campaign.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  How Much The WTS Pays To Print And Distribute Its Magazines Per Item

  by garbruce06atyahooo in

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  on another thread i gave a what-if situation using 10 cents per magazine although i'm thinking that with the cost of the printing presses and software factored in it could be more.

  who knows or can give a good estimate?

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  Borgia

  I looked up some figures. In 1984 there werea bout 1,8 million subscriptions at 24 mags a year at a cost of about 5 - 6 US. Back then I thought the mags were all sold at the counter for approx 20 cents or something. May be my estimates are a bit out due to echange rates and price level differences. since the WT had boasted that around 287 M copies had been placed in the year 1984, and all these copies were supposed to have been bought at the counter.....

  287 * 0,2 = 57,4M US. Printing cost at a rough estimate of 3 cents equals a yearly gross profit of about 49.000.000,= US on the mags alone. BUT this is about placed mags. In 1984 the WT ran at a rate of 10,2M coppies a month. OW was about at the same rate so, say 20M copies. That's 480M copies at a profit margin of 17 cents. Were talking 82M US. Not counting the countless bibles, 192 pages books etc etc. There were 2,8M publishers (including unbabtized kids) in them days. That makes 67M copies for personal use, leaving 130M copies laying around to for the wastebin.......

  The need to gain support on a real voluntairy basis is therefore greater than ever, thanks to the reforms incited by taxlaws. Put in other words: Vulnerability is flying straight in the face.

  Cheers

  Borgia
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  Analysis of a Time Consuming System: Shocking Numbers about JWs

  by drew sagan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  weekly meetings .

  book study: 1 hour .

  meetings for field service: 15 minutes (13 hours per year) .

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  Borgia

  The thing was: I spent 20 hours of WT-time a week after I quit pioneering which had consumed 6 days a week. In my newer situation I had only six hours left for the total WT requirements. So, where would I make a mend? Would I apply the spiritual timeley councel to simplify my life?

  YES!!!! I did.

  I quit going to meetings, fieldservice, preps, you name it. To keep the misses happy, see relatives and frieds I go to Sundays meetings. It also gives the opportunity to give some comments to adjust some thinking a la Drew and to see how funny all has become. It´s all a big show. With a downside, though.

  So, from personal experience, I can say that it is a huge improvement on lifes quality and what a simplification. Timely councel indeed.

  Reminds me of a young sister who got interviewed at the last assembly. She must have been barely 18 or so. Pioneering had always been the goal her parents put in front of her. She said: "From my personal experience I can say that pioneering is the most rewarding way of life there is", and I unquote. Yeah, I know, DWR (high dinner to waste ratio)

  Now, I spent four to six hours weekly to read and meditate on spiritual matters and that time is well spent. Better than the 20 hours of protocol I used to sacrifice to the WT altar.

  Now, being again faced with the practical idiocy of it all, it reminded me of a man who considered himself and his teachings as merely a raft to be use to cross a river on the road to somewhere else. It seems Jdubs are overconcerned to stay in the raft instead of continuing on the road ahead.

  Cheers

  Borgia.