Christ on a crutch, Danny, that first picture is sooooooo scary! What is the context for that picture- why is that guy in the middle of those people? "gaining more than you'll ever lose"- like he just forsook his whole family and social system to be a dub? -Yeah, I just loooove all my conditional ex-friends....
Posts by Kudra
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11ITS NOT ABOUT THEOLOGY; ITS ABOUT YOUR PEER GROUP
by Terry ini never converted to becoming a jehovah's witness as an act of volition.
i gradually found myself absorbed into a group that "accepted" me.. being a part of something larger than myself was key.
i'd never been inside a functioning group.
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Assemblies: Queues (Lines) at the Ladies, and taping over mirrors
by Duncan inthis topic sufaces here every now and again, with people reporting on the way that in some locations, the brothers tape paper over the mirrors in the ladies toliets, in order to speed things up and reduce queues.
i posted this a couple of years ago, but i'm resurrecting it now because i think this is relevant and interesting:.
this link:.
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Kudra
Although I'd LOVE to be mad over the "brothers" covering the women's mirrors and not the men's, I have heard that they cover the men's as well at the assemblies...
Is this true everywhere?
I suspect that at first they only taped over the ladies but that could cause quite a fuss and in these oh-so-enlightened times the "brothers" grudgingly have to tape both men's and women's...
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Well, I think my apartment is haunted.
by Steve Lowry inyep, thats right, haunted.
i have never had a dwelling place with so many unexplained noise and goings on.
lights that have been turned off, magically turn back on and visa versa.
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First of all-to Steve, sorry if I came across as judging you on your experience... who am I to say, right...? I just have strong reason to be veeeery skeptical about things like these.
FMZ- Thanks for addressing my post- I would be very interested in any serious reading material you could mention. I have done quite a bit of reading on the subject -Carl Sagan, Michael Shermer and other scientists and folks who have done a lot of study on that subject of cases like these. I have yet to read ONE case study that was proved to be of a supernatural nature.
I'm not sure how one does actual "research" on something like this- investigating all alternative hypothoses...? I guess.
I've tried opening myself up to stuff like that -no dice. I need proof. This subject is fraught with so much fraud and subjectivity that any case that would seem to support supernatural powers is pretty suspect.
a-standin' my ground,
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Well, I think my apartment is haunted.
by Steve Lowry inyep, thats right, haunted.
i have never had a dwelling place with so many unexplained noise and goings on.
lights that have been turned off, magically turn back on and visa versa.
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Kudra
There is no "supernatural".
These experiences have a basis in either something out of the ordinary happening that can be explained without invoking the supernatural or are products of the mind.
The mind is extremely powerful. I respect everyone's experience but it has NEVER EVER been proven that there is anything like ESP, aliens, ghosts, whathaveyou.
Any story of the supernatural that has ever been investigated has been found to have a basis in reality. Mental or physical. Not ghosts or aliens.
I had, when I was a JW and believed in the supernatural, I had what I thought were demon visits. Now I know exactly the mechanism behind what my mind was producing. Please, it is so liberating to free yourself from the superstitions and beliefs that make you fearful and unknowing.
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OK, I guess this makes me an official apostate!
by restrangled ini have a cousin who was a full time pioneer and got married to a man who was made an elder.
she has been suffering for years and years.
in the privacy of her sister's company and some cousins she kept saying as soon as her girls were old enough she would make a move.
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Kudra
...the thumb of an asshole...
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How many here have been disciplined?
by Boohiggy inhi people.
new here and happy to be here.
i was just counseled for sex.
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Kudra
More on topic:
If that avatar is actually your picture, those sketchy old perverts will create a lovely masturbatory memory for themselves when they ask you to spill every last detail-
"did you climax?"
"were you wearing a thong?"
These are ACTUAL QUESTIONS that have been asked.
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How many here have been disciplined?
by Boohiggy inhi people.
new here and happy to be here.
i was just counseled for sex.
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oh nevermind.
I figured it out- only Jehoagie can save lives... -
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How many here have been disciplined?
by Boohiggy inhi people.
new here and happy to be here.
i was just counseled for sex.
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616 and NOT 666 turns out to be the "number of the beast" ???
by Kudra inhas this been covered here?
seems to be a cool new development.
what will this mean to jws?
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Has this been covered here?
Seems to be a cool new development. What will this mean to JWs? Does this figure into their numerology/prophecy in any way?
I found it on ReligionNewsBlog.com
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Beast's real mark devalued to '616'
National Post, Canada
May 4, 2005
Christ Wattie
www.canada.com
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ReligionNewsBlog.com • Item 11134 • Posted: 2005-05-04 21:35:58Satanists, apocalypse watchers and heavy metal guitarists may have to adjust their demonic numerology after a recently deciphered ancient biblical text revealed that 666 is not the fabled Number of the Beast after all.
A fragment from the oldest surviving copy of the New Testament, dating to the Third century, gives the more mundane 616 as the mark of the Antichrist.
Ellen Aitken, a professor of early Christian history at McGill University, said the discovery appears to spell the end of 666 as the devil's prime number.
"This is a very nice piece to find," Dr. Aitken said. "Scholars have argued for a long time over this, and it now seems that 616 was the original number of the beast."
The tiny fragment of 1,500-year-old papyrus is written in Greek, the original language of the New Testament, and contains a key passage from the Book of Revelation.
Where more conventional versions of the Bible give 666 as the "number of the beast," or the sign of the anti-Christ whose coming is predicted in the book's apocalyptic verses, the older version uses the Greek letters signifying 616.
"This is very early confirmation of that number, earlier than any other text we've found of that passage," Dr. Aitken said. "It's probably about 100 years before any other version."
The fragment was part of a hoard of previously illegible manuscripts discovered in an ancient garbage dump outside the Egyptian city of Oxyrhynchus. Although the papyrus was first excavated in 1895, it was badly discoloured and damaged. Classics scholars at Oxford University were only recently able to read it using new advanced imaging techniques.
Elijah Dann, a professor of philosophy and religion at the University of Toronto, said the new number is unlikely to make a dent in the popularity of 666.
"Otherwise, a lot of sermons would have to be changed and a lot of movies rewritten," he said with a laugh. "There's always someone with an active imagination who can put another interpretation on it.
"It just shows you that when you study something as cryptic and mystic as the Book of Revelation there's an almost unlimited number of interpretations."
The book is thought to have been written by the disciple John and according to the King James Bible, the traditional translation of the passage reads: "Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."
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But Dr. Aitken said that translation was drawn from much later versions of the New Testament than the fragment found in Oxyrhynchus. "When we're talking about the early biblical texts, we're always talking about copies and they are copies made, at best, 150 to 200 years after [the original] was written," she said.
"They can have mistakes in the copying, changes for political or theological reasons ... it's like a detective story piecing it all together."
Dr. Aitken said, however, that scholars now believe the number in question has very little to do the devil. It was actually a complicated numerical riddle in Greek, meant to represent someone's name, she said.
"It's a number puzzle -- the majority opinion seems to be that it refers to [the Roman emperor] Nero."
Revelation was actually a thinly disguised political tract, with the names of those being criticized changed to numbers to protect the authors and early Christians from reprisals. "It's a very political document," Dr. Aitken said. "It's a critique of the politics and society of the Roman empire, but it's written in coded language and riddles."