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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

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  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  Propaganda is a powerful tool. The watchtower know this to be effective, therefore they use the fear of an evil entity that may or may not exist to inculcate the rank and file into believing anyone who leaves the "truth" are demon possessed.

  Get someone to believe good and evil exists in the form of invisible spirit entities then you have them.

  Unfortunately this does not address the issue that their are certain amounts of good and evil in all of us, it's how we control the dark side we have that determines whether we go on to be murderers or a decent member of society. I don't go for "it must have been a demonic force that made that person murder all those people" it takes responsibility away from the person who committed those evil acts.

  The watchtower uses such propaganda to take the responsibility away from them, when in fact it is the watch Tower who made this "law" to protect from anyone who knows the real truth about the organization. The rank and file are essentially victims to the propaganda and most of the time cannot be blamed for something that is constantly drummed into the rank and file.
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  Operation "Change meeting infrra-weekly" is a smokescreen

  by LaFrancia in

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  the operation "change midweek meeting" probably was a move to divert attention of the brotherhood from layoffs to betel and the ranks of special pioneers, a smokescreen for the pedophilia scandal !

  !operation "change meeting infrra-weekly" is a smokescreen.

  what do you think ?.

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  Unfortunately (and not without reason) a lot of the time people want to see want THEY want to see. For example, there are some who are so angry (justifiably) at the deceit that the watchtower has used when we all put our trust in it and will see every change as the watchtower in trouble and its about to crumble.

  
  

  Then there are ones who realize the only way to live somewhat of a normal life is to try and let things go. I totally recognize and empathize how hard this is, especially when loved ones are involved. All we can hope for is more and more people realizing just how big a sham the watchtower really is.

  Jefferey Jackson mentioned in his testimony the immediate aftermath of 9/11, there was a spike in new members. When the next big attack happens, this will happen again. At this moment in time religion is on a downward spiral, the watchtower is included in this trend.

  Sometimes, the only thing we can do is stand back and be a spectator,the watchtower will not be running out of money anytime soon, not with all the shares and the 80,000 real estate properties in its portfolio. It's a sad fact put unfortunately a true one.
  
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  "If you are teaching intolerance, we WILL shut you down!" English Prime Minister David Cameron

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  the prime minister of england made the above statement yesterday regarding any schools that influence youths in a negative manner.. he went on to say that if youths are influenced in a negative manner regarding religious teachings that promote judgement of others (including same sex relationships, etc ) or that look down on other peoples free choice, the government would take action.. i cant find a newspaper article sorry...i just heard it on the radio news.... very interesting though...it may have a bearing on how those who learn ttatt are treated by the organization??

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  I swear this prime minister of ours is turning into a dictator. There are so many sound bites to be gleaned from recent speeches this prick has given. He said on Sunday he is not afraid to press the red button! Absolutely scary, another Thatcher all over again!
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  Regarding changes and my poor mother!

  by username in

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  well i just got off the phone with mother (thankfully she has no part in the shunning policy) and she thinks the changes are "marverless" this i would imagine is the general consensus of most hardcore rank and file!

  she is even investing in a roku device so she can watch more indoctrination programming.

  to be honest i wouldn't even try make her think, because she has far to much invested in the cult.

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  Well I just got off the phone with mother (thankfully she has no part in the shunning policy) and she thinks the changes are "marverless" this I would imagine is the general consensus of most hardcore rank and file! She is even investing in a Roku device so she can watch more indoctrination programming.

  To be honest I wouldn't even try make her think, because she has far to much invested in the cult. Our brother died at the age of 21 and our dad is no longer with us either so she is living for the hope of seeing them again. As a descent human being, there is no way I would be able to take her away from that thinking.

  Sometimes we have to let go and respect the persons belief system. The hard truth is, it is very rare that we can wake a person up, especially if there is emotional investment. We have to hope that one day something comes along and makes them think something is not right.

  Sometimes we need to put ourselves in there position, if there is a certain amount of emotional investment, in my opinion, trying to wake a loved one up could be more harmful to that loved one than beneficial.
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  News flash - ex-Bethelites protest Watchtower headquarters- Governing Body flees

  by Esse quam videri in

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  pandemonium broke out at the headquarters of the watchtower bible and track society as hundreds of former bethel workers protested being released from their assignments and told to vacate the premises.

  the governing body members barely escaped the wrath of the mob, some without the shirt on their backs.

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  For a minute I thought Rick Feeron had invaded the forum!
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  Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony

  by jwfacts in

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  2. bible

  i have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.

  it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.

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  Oubliette The term the watchtower uses is 'theocratic warfare'
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  1914 'Big A' WT Retraction/Apology?!

  by lurkernomore in

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  2. experiences

  so i just met with an old 'friend' who wanted a 'chat' after no contact for the best part of 4 years.

  she obviously heard about the wonderful news of my abrupt fade :d. i guess i wanted to prove to myself that any future meet ups/chats with jw's would be pointless.

  needless to say i proved myself right.

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  I mistakenly let my mother know about the upcoming changes before the letter was read on Sunday. I was treated to 15 minutes of fluff. I had to shut down. I'm telling you now, Pink unicorns flying over rainbows was a very appealing proposition that very moment!
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  1914 'Big A' WT Retraction/Apology?!

  by lurkernomore in

  1. jw
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  so i just met with an old 'friend' who wanted a 'chat' after no contact for the best part of 4 years.

  she obviously heard about the wonderful news of my abrupt fade :d. i guess i wanted to prove to myself that any future meet ups/chats with jw's would be pointless.

  needless to say i proved myself right.

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  This I'm afraid is something the rank and file say all the time. The watchtower do apologise for their mistakes. The reason why I have stopped talking about anything Watchtower with my mother is because anything that is said against the watchtower is countered with how wonderful they are....including the watchtower has always apologised! Absolute poppycock!
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  Public talk anyone?

  by GodZoo in

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  was just doing a little research and stumbled across this archive of recorded public talks by co's, do's and governing body members from 1979 up to 2013. a fascinating resource for those who would like to research the doctrinal changes and possible flip flops over the last 30 years... http://printcentralandsigns.com/jwtalks/covisits/docovisits.html.

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  David Algar! What an efing tosser this guy is!
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  Critical Thinking and undeniable facts of true truiness

  by losthobbit in

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  i was recently writing to someone on the fractal future forum.

  he came across as a very intelligent person, but i noticed that a post of his about medicine showed that he seemed to lack a lot of knowledge about medical testing and the scientific method.

  so, i asked him some questions, and his reply seemed to contain a logical fallacy in every sentence, concluding with a quote from mercola.com, one of those really dodgy conspiracy theory / anti-science type of sites.

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  My attic is to cold and drafty so aint nobody got time for dat!