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  CRAPPING DEAD DINOSAUR MEAT....and the religious implications...

  by Terry in

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  before man....before the adam/eve saga.......how would you explain the nature of life on earth in terms of sin?

  millions of years passed before man and sin.

  (let that sink in a few seconds.........).

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  james_woods

  To me, this all seems like brain surgery....

  Not only that, but brain surgery on a brain which had nothing wrong with it...
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  CRAPPING DEAD DINOSAUR MEAT....and the religious implications...

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before man....before the adam/eve saga.......how would you explain the nature of life on earth in terms of sin?

  millions of years passed before man and sin.

  (let that sink in a few seconds.........).

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  james_woods

  OK - so what Terry is saying (to me) seems to be this:

  If God created the predatory animals, then he created killers who were designed (by God) to kill each other.

  Terry thinks that this violates the general principle that God supposedly created all creatures sin-free, until man voluntarily sinned. This is a valid point, if you accept the premise that for man or animals in Eden - killing animals and eating their flesh would have been sin.

  My counterpoint (for the purpose of argument only) is that the old testament does not specifically state that killing animals, either by man or by other animals themselves - is in fact sin.

  Disclaimer - this on my part is purely for the purpose of the intellectual argument. To me it is perfectly obvious that the Garden of Eden story is totally religious myth and has no real meaning in the context of earth & biological historical science.
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  Being Agnostic is depressing me....

  by SkyGreen in

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  for those that dont know my story, basically i "woke up the ttatt" about a year ago, started fading, then went back, now fading again because i just cant stomach it anymore.

  my husband is very supportive, although he's still "in" for now, and trying to be regular with meetings and witnessing, he can see my point of view now, and often notices things in the wt or other publications that are "off".

  the fading thing is hard, sometimes i want to da, but because of the upheaval it would cause my family, im waiting a little while - i guess hoping that my husband will be on the same page at some point, so that we can support eachother.

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  james_woods

  If it is depressing you, then you are not truly agnostic.
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  Greetings from a new member

  by EdenOne in

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  greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

  still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

  sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

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  james_woods

  OK, Cofty - but the spam/troll clock still runs in the meantime...
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  Greetings from a new member

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

  still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

  sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

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  james_woods

  To quote:

  Yes I agree with the GB in many things, that's why I'm still a Witness ;) However, there are MANY things I disagree, and that's why I'm here. If you take a look beyond the "basic beliefs" section, and look at the article "Two kings at War" you see an example of how much I differ from the GB. And I intend to publish many other examples. Btw, where do you see that I believe that 144.000 is a literal number? What you see there is simply a quote. I may or may not believe it's literal.

  This is spam for a competing website.
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  Greetings from a new member

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

  still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

  sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

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  james_woods

  Regretfully, I have started the Troll Clock on this. Simply because of these arcane statements:

  "I may or may not believe in the literal 144,000" "But, I still follow the GB"

  This is the height of BS.
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  Greetings from a new member

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

  still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

  sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

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  james_woods

  Re-marking this.
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  Greetings from a new member

  by EdenOne in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  greetings everyone.. just wanted to say hello to everyone, being a new member from western europe.. some may know me from another forum (eden, from e-jehovas-witnesses.com), but most don't, so this is my little intro.. male, in my early 40's.

  still an active member in good standing of a jehovah's witnesses congregation in my country, and honestly not planning to change that status, despite my unorthodox beliefs.

  sometime i will elaborate the reason why i don't feel i must leave.

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  james_woods

  Marking for later...
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  CRAPPING DEAD DINOSAUR MEAT....and the religious implications...

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before man....before the adam/eve saga.......how would you explain the nature of life on earth in terms of sin?

  millions of years passed before man and sin.

  (let that sink in a few seconds.........).

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  james_woods

  Well, exactly Finkelstein. I thought we were just engaging in a flight of fantasy debate here - as I assume we are all perfectly aware that the TRex had huge predatory teeth and we are smart enough to discern what they were for.
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  CRAPPING DEAD DINOSAUR MEAT....and the religious implications...

  by Terry in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  before man....before the adam/eve saga.......how would you explain the nature of life on earth in terms of sin?

  millions of years passed before man and sin.

  (let that sink in a few seconds.........).

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  james_woods

  I sort of get what Terry is saying - but was pointing out the subtle distinction that in Genesis, there is really no strict prohibition to man killing animals for food (or animals killing animals for food) as far as I can see.

  What I am missing is the connection to predatory flesh eating and the actual original sin of eating the "forbidden fruit".

  It is true that God says he gives them vegatation as food, but he does NOT prohibit killing or eating animal flesh between animal species (who could not understand or act on such a proclamation intelligently, anyway) - nor, for that matter, does he place a prohibitory law on mankind about this.

  He DOES explicitly place the prohibitionary law against eating the ONE TREE - the tree of life.

  Thus, in that context, it could mean that he is saying - see: I let you eat from EVERY OTHER tree - but just not THAT ONE. In this context, the statement is really a pretty weak reference to insist on a pre-flood vegan life-style for all animal creation.

  In fact, eating from the tree of knowledge seems to be a much bigger deal than for Cain to have killed Abel.