I’ve seen the photos you allude to but was unaware this was part of an AAWA campaign.
If it is, I’m undecided whether it’s a good or bad idea.
May I just say good lord in a hatbox...you are "not sure"???
Maybe you should take an "unbiased scientific poll"...
My MIL is a real JW. She took the survey. I am neither DF'd or DA'd. I took the survey. I can't imagine we are the exception.
You are the exception if you are posting here and talking about it to each other.
It is "off limits" behavior for totally obedient JWs.
And everybody here knows that.
Marvin, things that are just plain wrong - and which are repeated again and again - are merely consistently wrong.
Repeating it consistently does not make what is wrong with it right.
What is wrong with all the Cedars survey stuff is that REAL JWs will not respond to it - only fringe JWs who are outside the real JW sphere on influence.
this is the full crash that wasn't showed on the news.. they referenced it on national news but didn't show whole clip.. if you already have fear of flying etc.
you may not wish to view this.. all 7 aboard died.. hard to believe this guy was in the right spot with his car to capture the whole thing.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfvsql38oc.
edited to add: forgot to say his camera date was not set for correct date.
ThinkaboutIt, SoontoBe - thank you for your voices of sanity.
It is almost akin to saying that the Americans killed in the Hindenburg explosion deserved to die because the Hindenburg was a Nazi airship.
Good Lord, Marvin - are you looking back and really reading again what you are saying here?
For one thing, you are off topic...
Sigh enough with john ceders . Please let this die
But we are learning so much: For example, "Bad Data can provide a Good Survey" (if you take the bad data at regular intervals).
this is the full crash that wasn't showed on the news.. they referenced it on national news but didn't show whole clip.. if you already have fear of flying etc.
you may not wish to view this.. all 7 aboard died.. hard to believe this guy was in the right spot with his car to capture the whole thing.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icfvsql38oc.
edited to add: forgot to say his camera date was not set for correct date.
If you want to play war, then its karma that you die playing war.
That was an idiotic comment. Sorry, but it really was idiotic.
The date stamp is way off. That is strange for military.
It was a private video, not military. At least - the one I saw on TV was.
FINALLY - the crash was almost certainly caused by a load shift to the rear of the 747 during acceleration for takeoff. The plane was not overloaded, but: The load (not strapped down well enough) went to the tail, causing an out of C/G condition, (tail heavy) and extreme nose up as you can see in the video. Airspeed was lost, and it crashed.
I have to salute the pilot for recovering from the onset of a spin and getting it more or less level and nose down again, but it still did not have enough airspeed to fly.
A tragedy which could have been avoided by better loading procedures.
Whether Cedar’s survey represents something useful depends on two things: Was the data collected consistently in each instance and was it collected at consistent intervals.
Even bad information can provide for a useful survey if that information is collected consistently and at consistent intervals.
That you don’t understand this is evident.
Thank you. I do not understand how "bad information can provide for a useful survey".
BTW - you cannot run a useful Grand Prix race on bad gas either, Marvin.
Ludicroso - Maximoso.
Please read this slowly… Here’s what I’ve said specific to Cedar’s survey:
- Cedars’ survey is not delusional. It’s practical and it helps.
- Whether Cedar’s survey represents something useful depends on two things: Was the data collected consistently in each instance and was it collected at consistent intervals.
I have read it slowly.
I submit that it does not "help" - just as panacea drugs do not help a cancer patient. Only real medicine (and HONEST surveys actually help the JW issue in the long run.
Secondly, (and obviously) - the point (if the data was collected "consistently" and at "consistent intervals" making it "useful" is LUDICROUS.
I can consistently poll Ferrari owners if they like Ferraris at consistent intervals and get consistent answers. Not useful anywhere except for fluff articles in the Prancing Horse magazine. Similar consistency (and uselessness) would be evident if I poll Lamborghini owners, Porsche owners, etc. I understand that Rolls-Royce and Aston Martin owners do not respond to such polls, so any "answers" in that case would (of course) be bogus.
Admit it, Marvin - the "surveys" were bogus as scientifically correct data collection devices.
JWsurvey and the surveys must have value in the most general sense. Like JWN, watchtowerdocument, JWFacts, Silentlambs, JWStruggle, Freeminds...all of them expose WT. All of them could be pigeon holed as having "no value" to a certain genre of viewer and many will dismiss them all as biased.
The fact remains, still many more review these sites in their efforts to research. The information presented in any context may help them to awaken to the TTATT.
Are you saying that the fact (that the survey is biased) is over-weighted by the possibility that it will affect people who might come out of the WT organization? If so, that means that the survey is really propaganda - not accurate data. I do not understand this kind of logic, and I do not believe that such shenanigans actually help honest people to exit the Watchtower. We should always be honest in our approach - as honest as we can be. At the very least, the survey should carry a disclaimer which makes it clear that the main rank file of the JW population were not equally represented.
