Posts by PoppyR

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Catalogue of Biblical Inconsistencies

by Scully in

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i'm going to print this out for my own reference.. http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html

PoppyR

Thanks for that one Scully, found it very interesting, also the 'atrocity' section on the site.

Poppy

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Can you help me find info about Gods name

by PoppyR in

hi everyone, i have tried the search function (honest!

) but cant find the posts that i know are here.

tonight in the book study they were talking about daniel using gods name and i remembered reading somewhere that the jws put it in the nwt where it wasn't used.

I just found this site....THANK GOD!

by confused_101 in

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ok long story short i was baptized at 17 (because i felt pressured into it), and i was df about 2yrs ago i believe (i'm 27 now).

i wasn't at the final meeting, or any meeting about my dfing.

i had an elder call me twice at work and tell me that there was meeting that night.

Another welcome!! I'm fairly new here myself, but can SO understand and empathise with how you feel right now. There are highs and lows, the lows when you feel so cheated out of what you could have been and done.. but the highs when you realise you are still young (ish in my case!) have so much living to do and now are free to do whatever you choose. It's a very confusing and emotional journey, but it does get better, I cant tell you how bright the light gets every day round here on this board. Stay, post, and realise that you dont have to quantify anything just at the moment, just live and enjoy each breath.

Poppy xxx

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The dubs' public shunning is so dumb!

by ozziepost in

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it's been many years now that it might have had any relevance but nowadays when i enter our local shopping mall, i still manage to get shunned!.

it got me thinking, don't they see how stupid they look?.

look, the dubs are a minority, for heaven's sake!

PoppyR

I had lunch today with one of my old JW friends and was talking to her about her brother who is long time disfellowshipped (ie 15 years). I had seen him out and had a chat with him. She said how wrong I was and how he would never come back etc.. so I asked her if her son (now 13) was disfellowshipped would she walk past him in the street and ignore him, and she said yes she would because it was the only way he would return... I just dont get why they dont see, the way to get someone to return is to make them feel loved and welcome!! I How wrong it is to treat people that we once loved and were close to as WORSE than ones we dont even know.. And I'm ashamed of myself for once acting like this myself. However I think it's totally not right to try and embarass the dubs into speaking to you, after all you were once there, you know why they're doing it, many of them dont enjoy it any more than you do, they just think it's the right thing to do!!

poppy

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Can you help me find info about Gods name

by PoppyR in

hi everyone, i have tried the search function (honest!

) but cant find the posts that i know are here.

tonight in the book study they were talking about daniel using gods name and i remembered reading somewhere that the jws put it in the nwt where it wasn't used.

PoppyR

hi everyone, I have tried the search function (honest!) but cant find the posts that I know are here. Tonight in the book study they were talking about Daniel using Gods name and I remembered reading somewhere that the JWs put it in the NWT where it wasn't used. So I went to the back of the translation ( I HATE using that bible now, I just want to get my other versions out to compare, but daren't do that in public!) Anyway, I was readin the section about where they had put in the name in the new Testament.. and it suddenly hit me that these people ..ie matthew, mark, luke, etc, were with Jesus day in day out. If he talked about his fathers name, why would they not write it down? Why would Jesus not use it? If he wanted us to use it, he would have been saying it in every sentence.. Anyway, I really would like to find some posts about this with the information about what the original greek says and how it has been changed by the WTS. Can anyone help? Thanks in advance!

Poppy x

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Huge shock!

by Crumpet in

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i just got a major shock.

i can't believe the new levels of cruelty possible within families who are jws.. a friend on this board who i've known since i was a baby practically has managed to get me a picture of my little sister who i haven't seen for 8 years - the one who i've mentioned my dad said was working on the bethel quick build team.

the one who i've described my fears that she and my younger sister are staying single until armageddon.

PoppyR

I feel so bad for you Crumpet. I fear this so much coming from a very large extended family, all JWs.. but I understand it, and once took part in it. It's very tough to let go of the family ties, but you need to create new ones with people that truly love you. Get yourself adopted! What is your B/fs family like? In my experience in time, they will regret their treatment of you and probably see how wrong they were. many years ago I shunned my own father (although he was a piece of s***) when the WT came out about how to treat people, I didn't see him til he died. And now it's one of my biggest regrets. I may not have liked him anyway, but I wish I'd taken the chance to get to know him. However life moves on. And although we're not your blood here, we understand you more than they ever will. Big hugs (although we'll stand a few feet apart, after all we are BRITISH! )

Poppy xxx

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LOOKS OR PERSONALITY?

by Mary in

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ok, if you had to choose between looks and personality, which wins?

guys: if a girl is only mediocre in the looks department but is absolutely fab-u-lous in the personality dept...........which is more important to you?

or are they equally important?

PoppyR

Sense of humour, every time, I love a smart intelligent wit. As for spirituality.. I like someone that thinks about things but is open minded enough to consider other peoples points of view. But hey, if all this comes rolled into a delicious looking package, who am I to turn it down

poppy x

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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?

by hubert in

in a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.

i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.

many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.

PoppyR

I have tried to follow this debate, but given up. Sweet Scholar if you are trying to influence people who are open minded about if the 'truth' is the truth, you are so going about it the wrong way! Your posts are really hard to read, full of name calling and weird references, and you strike me as one of the many nutcases that I find associate with the witnesses. I just bet you've been going for years but have no privileges? Everyone in the cong knows you're a weirdo, everybody pairs up at the service group when they see you coming? Your attitude stinks, and out of all the lovely people I've read and replied to on this board, yours is by far the worst and you call yourself a Christian???? Yes there are some people here who resort to name calling etc, but should you join them? Should you sink to that level? At least some of the other JWs on this board have interesting and valid points to make and cause me to stop and think, you are not one of them. And I for one cant be bothered to try and read any more of your posts!

poppy

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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?

by hubert in

in a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.

i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.

many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.

PoppyR

Hi Rebel8, I looked at your site with interest, but dont really feel it is unbiassed. For example your paragraph on baptism.

Watchtower 1988 March 15 p.13 Trust in Jehovah Leads to Dedication and Baptism
A person must leave his former way of life and dedicate himself to the Watchtower Society upon baptism. Baptism is the most important day of one’s life, as it symbolizes leaving the past.
Watchtower 1989 January 15 p.13 What Prevents You From Getting Baptized?
JWs must pledge loyalty to the Watchtower Societ

The article you refer to doesnt' say that anywhere, and I know we KNOW this is what it entails, but I think we have to be careful not to be as vague as the WTS when we are directing peoples attention to the faults etc. When we get baptised on no occasion do we say we are dedicating ourselves to the Watchtower Society. Not a criticism, just my point of view, I tend to turn off from ex JW websites that put things across in a way I know wasn't how it was. And I feel you are not getting to the very people you want to if you put stuff on there that is not backed up.

Poppy x

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How to explain, need some advice.

by PoppyR in

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to give you some background, i'm married, two pre-teen boys.

i haven't been to meetings regularly for about a year, and not at all now for about 2 months.

previously we were all hit and miss, so it's only very recently that my boys have taken any notice.

PoppyR

Thank you for your kind words and suggestions! And for BTTP for people who saw but had nothing to suggest! I did speak to them, and amazingly it went very simply. For background, my husband wants to stay with the org yes. And at this point in time I would like them to have the choice. I told them I was baptised very young, that I hadn't really had time to really examine the bible and now I realised I needed to do it properly. I still believed in God and the bible and just wasn't sure that some things 'men' taught were true. They were absolutely fine about it, and I'm so glad I was upfront. My youngest did come to me later and ask me if it was ok for him to swear now..lol, and I said NO, absolutely not! I also said at this point if their dad was going to the meeting they would have to go and I hadn't made any decisions. I realise I have to be careful about what they say to people. I so dont want to be d/f ed for their sake. thanks again.

Poppy x