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Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
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http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Thirdwitness,
Your arguments have been that the criteria for association of the NGOs with the DPI/UN had changed over the years. But, the 1992 press releases show that they essentially had not changed. Similarly, with the 1995 brochure. Yet, you state on your website that Mr Hoeffel is trying to hide something and is misleading people. I think the facts show otherwise and you are bearing false witness against him. Will you change your website to remove the personal attack on Mr Hoeffel?
Now you seem to be saying (I'm guessing here) that the Watchtower Society didn't know about these requirements. That's a totally different argument than what what your "changing world of NGOs" page says. (Remember how you don't show page 7 of the 1994 brochure making it appear the 1994 brochure said nothing about needing to support the UN?)
Don't you think the WT Society got the notification of orientation that other new NGOs got (as is expressed in that press release)? Don't you think they took advantage of the accredited status to lobby for human rights for their members? And all this time they just never heard about the requirements for association of NGOs?
Your website needs a bunch of work to remove the false accusations against Mr Hoeffel and the omission of key evidence like the 1992 press releases and page 7 of the 1994 brochure.
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

And why did JWs in Malawi not buy membership cards of the only permitted political party in Malawi? The Malawi Congress Party basically was Malawi and failure to purchase the card was viewed as a failure to support the country. Yet, the Witnesses felt they had a reason not to buy the cards because it conflicted with their religious views.
The Charter of the UN proposes that the UN is a means to achieve world peace. You, as a JW, don't have a problem with supporting that?
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Thirdwitness claims the requirements for associating NGOs changed over the years. He's ignoring one press release that's been posted here. Here's another from 1992. Notice the requirements explained in this press release:
"To be granted association with the DPI, NGO's must have national or international standing, support the Charter of the United Nations, have a broadly based membership and possess the resources necessary for effective outreach."
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

It is quite simple. Apostates however want to villanize the WTS and exaggerate what really happened because it makes them feel better for leaving Jehovah and his people. It is just an excuse for doing what a person wants to do and thereby not having to answer to anyone or live a life in accord with the Bible and its principles. No more door to door work. No more meetings. Free to engage in whatever conduct a person desires.
No allowance for genuine convinction? Do you really think all those who oppose JWs are cut from the same cloth and share the same views? And that we aren't serious about our personal journeys and are only looking for an excuse "for leaving Jehovah and his people"? So, your position is that "apostates" cannot be sincere?
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Well, some JW apologists like Thirdwitness believe Mr Hoeffel and others at the UN are hiding the truth and misleading the public. And these JW apologists accuse us as being conspiracy theorists!
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

This was a year ago but Mr. Hoeffel did not respond to my questions. I received several responses telling me to contact different peoples or offices for more information. I received no new information from any of the sources, which were several, that I contacted.
So, you're publically accusing him of being misleading and trying to cover up "mistakes" and you had no input from Mr Hoeffel? Just because he did not reply to you does not mean there are no answers. He may have his reasons for ignoring questions on this subject from you. Have you considered the possiblity that you may be bearing false witness against Mr Hoeffel?
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Thirdwitness claims the requirements for NGOs changed over the years. This press release from 1992 shows otherwise:
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Meanwhile, the UN released a brochure and press release saying among other things that NGOs agreed to support the UN.

We've linked to documents from 1992 and 1995 that show there was no essential change in the requirements. You still haven't commented on those.
Also, the WT withdrew after the situation became public. You are mischaracterizing the way they diassociated themselves.
BTW, what did Mr Hoeffel say to your questions?
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

SHOULD MODERATERS LOCK THIRDWITNESS THREADS IF NO CONCRETE ANSWERS ARE FORECOMING?
I hate to see censorship of that sort. Let the evidence speak for itself. If someone doesn't like these sort of threads they can go to other threads. Let's not give the JW apologists the benefit of saying they were booted from the board. Let the facts speak for themselves. It will become very obvious (if it hasn't already.)
597
Great news. The WTS did not commit spiritual prostitution with UN.
by thirdwitness in
1. watchtower
2. scandals
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/
cabasilas

Yes, I ask him
Thirdwitness, what did Mr Hoeffel say when you asked him for evidence that the requirements had not essentially changed?