Posts by Shawn10538

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Spiritual Meaning of Watchtower Legal Defeats

by metatron in

over 60 years ago, the watchtower society assembled a remarkable record of hard fought legal victories that had the .

long term effect of carving out a protected niche for themselves.

they were enabled to create many decades of .

Shawn10538

All I can say is I can't wait to have my day in court with them! Greedy sons of bitches!
Shawn

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Kingdom Hall burns...

by lisavegas420 in

someone broke in...evidence points to arson.

contents inside of building was set on fire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1axt17r6sem.

Just kidding. Seriously though. This is a real tragedy. Now the Society gets to make more money while the poor rank and file will surely be made to feel guilty and responsible to pay for every last cent with their time, money and energy. Win, win for the WT$ and lose lose for everyone else. I think I'm seeing a pattern here.

Shawn

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 60 Minutes last night

by Jourles in

did anyone else watch the interview of mahmoud ahmadinejad(iran's president) on 60 minutes last night?

i thought his answers were both clever and honest.

it's funny i never heard about the letter he sent to bush three months ago.

Shawn10538

Oh, and I have got to meet face to face with Mr. SC, xjw4ever above, so this is an official invitation to meet in person and talk some politics. My number is 562-225-5928. Give me a call anytime. I'm in CA, in Long Beach actually and if you go to SC then you are too. So lets rap.
Shawn

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Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on 60 Minutes last night

by Jourles in

did anyone else watch the interview of mahmoud ahmadinejad(iran's president) on 60 minutes last night?

i thought his answers were both clever and honest.

it's funny i never heard about the letter he sent to bush three months ago.

Shawn10538

It was an interview!!!! How can an interview be termed propaganda? One might say that the Iranian prez. was promoting facts that one might classify as false, or twisted logic or overt rhetoric, dancing around the issues and so forth or not answering questions frankly and directly and honestly, but an interview itself can not be termed propaganda. Actual references must always be supplied to make such a point. Always!

Further, only someone who does not know the meaning of propaganda can say this. Propaganda according to Websters is "any systematic, widespread dissemination and promotion of particular ideas... to further one's own cause or to damage an opposing one" Def. 3 adds the conotation of deception though obviously propaganda in its original sense does not necessarily need to have that element as it is a derivative of the word "propagate."

So, now we have a situation where EVERYTHING is propaganda because every time you open your mouth or type on these pages you are promoting and disseminating your ideas and down playing opposing ideas. But in the case of an interview, the Prez was answering questions NOT GIVING A LECTURE. He was not in any way framing the debate. So as a receiver of questions, I found his replies open and honest, as honest as you could expect from a politician, and he obviously has an intellect far superior to our dumb clod president's.

So now to this quote from some other clod above:
"I gotta go with bush this guy is a crazy terrorist..."

Now here is a great example of a flat out ad hominem/non sequitor and therefore false, illogical and off topic. Calling someone a name is ad hominem because it is labeling the person, calling them a name, instead of addressing the actual points at hand. It is also non sequitor because the questions being begged are: "IS the Iranian a crazy terrorist? What is crazy? What is a terrorist? (This is probably the most important question of our time. Is a terrorist everyone who is against the US or can the US itself act like a terrorist by invading sovreign nations, dropping an A bomb on Heroshima causing dozens of civil wars over the last century for the sole purpose of installing governments that promote US business interests...) Exactly what actions or proclamations has the Iranian made that put him squarely and indisputably in the category of crazy terrorist. Making nuclear weapons? Well, we do that so then we are just as much terrorists as him unless you want to install a double standard, which is what most Americans arrogantly do."

Personally I think that the term terrorist should be stricken from all journalistic narratives because of the simple fact that it is always subjective to the speaker or the country the speaker is from, is it not? Therefore to use the term terrorist is to commit the ad hominem logical fallacy and to break with journalistic integrity. It is much the same as the WT calling ex members "apostates." Another example is the US campaign of "Shock and AWE." Remember that one? What is SHOCK and AWE if not TERROR? So, the US, IN THEIR OWN WORDS are committing terrorism!

Shawn

Oh and the other ignorant thing written above (see, I just ad hommed!) is that the American media is slanted towards the Islamic cause. This is exactly the opposite of the truth. The media owned by GE and many other pro-American-War intertests are astoundingly sided with a Pro-Israel slant, it is in their interests to do so. Do you have a specific account of the wrongly labeled "liberal" media has made to specifically promote an Islaamic slant? Names. dates and actual quotes please.

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Wikipedia on Witnesses (Huh?)

by MsMcDucket in

has anyone read this section about witnesses?

the tower is tricky isn't it?unfulfilled predictions.

individual jehovahs witnesses have made predictions over the years regarding specific dates and events that have not come to pass.

Shawn10538

That's just sickening. Thank you for correcting it. I've been on there too, but I can see that I'll have to revisit that section.
Shawn

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Wouldn't this be fun fun fun?

by Skimmer in

jw
friends

wouldn't this be fun fun fun?

one of the sponsor links on this site is a bethel tour company owned and operated by jws: .

http://www.bethelcoachtours.com/ .

Shawn10538

Count me in! I would love to go on a Bethel tour. But I think having too big a crowd would not be as good as if there were 1/2 witnesses and 1/2 non witnesses. The subtler the better I think.

Shawn

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Uninvited--A Wonderful "Witness"

by Merry Magdalene in

i attended my mother's memorial at the kingdom hall saturday afternoon.

even with the jw sermon tagged on, my cousin did a lovely service for her.

there were many jws and non-jws in attendence.

Shawn10538

Oh, and, I would love to see that letter you wrote them. I would love if you posted it on the forum, though I know it's personal.

Shawn

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Uninvited--A Wonderful "Witness"

by Merry Magdalene in

i attended my mother's memorial at the kingdom hall saturday afternoon.

even with the jw sermon tagged on, my cousin did a lovely service for her.

there were many jws and non-jws in attendence.

Shawn10538

That is heartbreaking. I'm one personally who has decided, at least so far that I am not going to attend any memorials. Why should they decide for me which events I get to attend? I'm sure they will all tell me that I am invited to my mom's funeral and whatnot, and that they are going to "allow" me to come as long as I don't talk about religion and play by their rules, but why would I want to put myself in a situation of subboardanance (sp? clueless)? If I would ever be in their presence again, it will be on my turf thank you very much and on my terms. And do you know why? Cuz Fuck them, that's why!

Shawn

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happiness is...

by Shawn10538 in

i think we should have a happiness is section that compares life after jws.

happiness is... .

being told by your professor that the only open section of the class you need to take to finish your degree is on tues. and thurs nights 7pm to 9pm, and being able to give a resounding , "yes!

Shawn10538

I think we should have a happiness is section that compares life after JWs. Here's what I mean:

Happiness is...

being told by your professor that the only open section of the class you need to take to finish your degree is on Tues. and Thurs nights 7pm to 9pm, and being able to give a resounding , "Yes!" to the question, Shall I enroll you then?

Shawn

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I'm confused

by Auchmull in

i've been studying with a jw for a short time.

i started searching the internet for more information because much of what she was saying and what i was reading made sense, but i didn't trust my own judgment.

i haven't seen the ugliness that i read about here and as an outsider, it looks comforting.

Shawn10538

Consider the possibility that WE ALL HAVE IT ALL WRONG. Don't fall into the trap of thinking, "Well, if evolution isn't right, then the Bible must be right." It is equally possible that evolution, creation, the Bible, the Bahgavad Gita, the Koran, the Book of Morons and every sentence ever spoken and/or written is completely 100% wrong, off base, false and so on, including this sentence! It's like we got it in our heads that SOMEONE, at least one person, religion or ideology (especially if it's mine, right?) is the correct one, when there is no reason in the world to assume such a crazy thing. It's just as likely if not more so, that we are all alone in the universe, we have always been here (in some form or another) and we will always be here, but we have no idea how we got here. We may just be an uncaused phenomenon, not created by anything intelligent, but not necessarily "not created" at all in any sense. We could be a little bit of everything, or none of nothing. So, don't buy into something just because you haven't yet joined the crowd of people who have all bought into something. Don't think that there is some value in having your beliefs established and your mind made up about anything. It actually seems to be the prudent course to just wait and see what happens, rather than placing your bet on some finite number. There is no shame in not betting at all and just being an observer at the roulette table, because when the wheel stops, the house is going to win and all of the people who placed their bets on some stupid religion or ideology will be losers, except for the ones humble enough to admit, and ADMIT WITH PRIDE, "I JUST DON'T KNOW." Shawn A man with no answers and proud of it!