Posts by Ninjamaskinen

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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

Ninjamaskinen

OrphanCrow wrote:

"On another thread you called me 'smart'. I am unable to return the compliment.

I will try to explain to you the difference between personal and public space in the context of the JWs by giving you an illustration that might help you 'get it'.

Let's say that you own your own home - or maybe you just rent it. It is your home. Your 'personal' space.

Now, let's say that you decide to have a household sale for whatever reason - you want to sell off all your old furniture and the extra car you have in your garage. So you advertise an open house - you open your house to the public for the sale.

Now, with your logic, your house is now a target for anyone coming into it and doing whatever they want. According to you - your home is no longer a 'personal space'.

I realize that the JWs advertise their Sunday worship as being 'open to the public'. That phrase is an invitation for the public to come and share the space that is normally for JWs. The public does not own that space - the JWs do. That is what is meant by the term 'personal space'. It is a political label. It designates the 'political' position of the parties involved based upon 'ownership' (not necessarily monetary) of space"

So an interruption to a lifeless ceremony will cause the destruction of someone being saved? HAHAHA.

Your statement makes it very clear that being Scandinavian has nothing at all to do with understanding the Stockholm Syndrome."

Ninjamaskinen: reply

Wrong.If you advertise something as public and invite the public to your space, it is not illegal for the public to express their opinion on that property. That is what this is. Your illustration reminds me of the dreadful Sunday morning talk speakers' useless comparisons of apples to oranges.

Also, the events that caused the coining of the term "Stockholm Syndrome" were big when I was a child. I understand it well. I don't really think you are all that intelligent.

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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

Ninjamaskinen

So an interruption to a lifeless ceremony will cause the destruction of someone being saved? HAHAHA. And NO, the Kingdumb hall is no one's personal space. Sunday meetings are listed as public. Check your facts. I know about Stockholm syndrome. I am Scandinavian. This open protest to the memorial has nothing to do with that. This is type of flawed logic jws use to justify their arguments.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

LisaRose The worst thing you can say to someone who was damaged by this cult is "get over your anger". I don't think you grasp the gravity of the situation here. I will break it down for you. A group of men living in ivory towers have created a system of slavery and control over a mass of people who want to believe in a better world. They have taken their money, time and souls. They have made them objects of mockery and have caused children to die and be abused because of their policies. They have lied repeatedly on prophesying the end of the world. They have destroyed many peoples lives by their shunning policy.

So, a few guys standing up and interrupting a morose and lifeless ceremony and promptly leaving makes you mad?

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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

Ninjamaskinen

OrphanCrow wrote:

"I am not sure what you mean by "non violent protest", Ninja. I am going to assume that your comment relates to the recent display by some young, immature men at the Memorial.

A violent act does not need to be defined by whether or not it causes physical injury - many acts are violent in nature by the virtue of aggressiveness. There is a big difference between aggressiveness and assertiveness.

Aggressiveness attacks other people's space - assertiveness is about claiming your own space.

The nature of the relationship between the JW adherents and the WTS is an abusive and controlling one. And, with that in mind, any attacks or aggressive methods only serve to tighten the bond between the WTS and the JW.

So, your comment that "it may just reach one person that experiences it. That one person is a difference maker" is a fallacy. That one person comes at a pretty high price - the aggressive actions required to 'save' that one person can, and does, throw all the other JWs under the bus, who could potentially be reached with more sophisticated methods. For every one you 'save', you sacrifice the countless others who could be 'saved' but instead are pushed into an even tighter relationship with the WTS by that aggressive action."

I meant what I said. Non violent protest. That is exactly what happened in the video. Your opinion about how mature it was has no relevance. They did not enter anyone's personal space. The memorial is a public event. They quickly left the public space after stating their opinion of the ceremony. Your argument holds no water. You sound like an apologist. Also, your claim that that type of protest would never reach anyone is unproven, hence you are stating a fallacy.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

"I can't agree with the method they are using to express their anger." steve2, you sound like an apologist. Did anyone get hurt? NO. It sounds like you and some others (like djs) still hold the jw meetings sacred. They aren't.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

pbrow, djs is still an elder in his mind. Hence the witty diarrhea constantly spilling out of his mouth.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

Thank you, SonoftheTrinity. They made it public. They must deal with the reality that their doctrine causes suffering.

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When you were Hard-Core JW, did Opponents Screaming or Filming you help your Exit?

by PokerPlayerPhil in

all of us are upset in different ways, some of us are ferociously angry because, let's face it, it's our fault!

i had many clues they were lying about our religion but i failed to see through them because of the pain of admitting we got conned and family pressure from peers stopped me from making a courageous choice.

when i read about people who confronted the elders and won their judicial committees (even though the jw elders df'ed them) my heart goes out to their courage, their amazingly stronger than i will ever be.

Ninjamaskinen

Non violent protest should not be demonized. Even if it doesn't cause droves of people to question their religion, it may just reach one person that experiences it. That one person is a difference maker.

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

"These guys would never do this in a mosque." Nice comparison. Is that where your standard lies?

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These guys crash a Kingdom Hall on Memorial, video included

by Crazyguy in

jw
friends

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7mars2mtaui.

to funny nice job....

Ninjamaskinen

To the ones commenting, "how dare they interrupt them at their place of worship." Give me a break. How about we ask how dare these people come knocking on people's doors and interrupting their morning, afternoon or evening peddling a cult's agenda. If they're going to make the memorial a public event, be prepared for some objections to the ceremony.