cuz I went into things that you don't like and it was a bit too long for a cockeyed nut like you to read. your screen name and picture show that YOU are the one in serious need of medication. I'm sorry if my posting was too much for your pea brain to handle. I know that babies like you need small spoonfuls. I'll try to remember that, and keep it a little shorter. (did I tell you that you look like a demented creep in your picture? so I guess you should know about 'medication'. I bet you've had your fill of xanix and zoloft and paxil and whatever else. I stay away from drugs. too devilish. I'm not perfect, I admit. but sonny, you don't even come close. try addressing the specific points of my writing instead of childishly and schmuckishly saying silly crap. if your mind can grasp what I wrote, that is. apparently it can't. lata.
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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the fact of the matter is that Jehovah's witnesses in this modern complex age are not perfect. (repetition for emphasis and importance was followed by Peter "by way of reminder", (2 Peter 1:13), under the Holy Spirit; so if that's the case, the first century Christians were "cultic" too. but we know that "orthodoxy" at the time, and the pagan demented unreasonable world in general viewed the early true Christians of the First Century A.D. as "heretical" and "cultic" also. so the so-called "expert" view that "reprinting" or repetition is a cultic tactic is like whatever. repetition of stressing and driving points home to brains that are prone to forget--human nature--is not only sensible, but wholly Biblical. those "experts" and critics should try reading the Bible (any translation) a bit more carefully. and seeing it honestly. instead of interpreting things by pre-conceptions, filters, biases, and hardened emotionalism.) but now to the ultimate point about the Watchtower and the Lord's witnesses in these Last Days. THEY AINT PERFECT BY ANY STRETCH !!!! duhh. that's understood. And some in authority HAVE gone overboard with control in certain areas. that can be admitted. but so what? the first century Christians, as is easily forgotten by many people many times, had major problems, like with church favoritism and politics and divisions and strife and sometimes an over-control, and also legalism issues (such as the circumcision issue and other things). Read both letters to the Corinthians and the letter of James and Galatians, and the first few chapters of Revelation to see what I'm talking about. But that did not make them not the Truth or the True Christian Church in the overall sense. despite the silly human nature that popped up so often. (children of Adam are THAT messed up and retarded, even with the Holy Spirit on them) so then, angry and emotionally distraught people who leave Jehovah's witnesses, over hurt feelings, and a desire to be so independent, or whatever other apostate rebellious-type reasons, are just like Korah, who the Holy Spirit warned against being like Jude 11. (it would be funny and courageous of you to post my emails are your demonic heretical apostate site. just for some REAL balance.) throwing out the baby with the bathwater is never a wise move. the fact of the matter is that true Christian Biblical sanctification and separation are found today only among Jehovah's witnesses. of course, the Watchtower is not infallible in the matter of faith, doctrine and morals, as the Pope of Rome claims to be. but rather it bases its words and contents on the Holy Bible (whatever version) and the original manuscripts and original language words, of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. as well as on current world events and physical facts. why do they abstain from smoking and pagan holidays and worldly corrupt politics? whereas Christendom (all corrupt branches) regularly engage in all that un-Scriptural anti-Biblical garbage? with nothing done to them? no church discipline. it's a joke. those are the real issues that need to be addressed. not wheather some elder in a local JW congregation got too uptight about side-burns or whatever. And also issues on Revelation of Temple this that or the other. yeah, the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses are by no means perfect. no kidding. but would you say that the cockeyed mentally diseased worldly pagan "Southern Baptist Convention" is really Biblical and truly truly better? and that they truly follow "be ye separate"? Jeremiah 10 and 2 Corinthians 6:17. Verses of Scripture are there for reasons. not to be so conveniently and arrogantly dismissed as of no consequence. the general principles are there. and are important to consider. and also, there are no "abusive step parents" among Methodists? or Pentecostals? Or Mormons? or Presbyterians? is that a joke? but do they ever eventually get disfellowshipped??? listen, you silly fools. please listen carefully. ABUSIVE ANYTHING ULTIMATELY WILL GET YOU RIGHTLY KICKED OUT OF THE JW CHURCH, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT SHOULD BE. but that does NOT generally happen among Roman Catholics or Greek Orthodox or EpiscoPAGANs. JWs leadership judge on the inside. and take appropriate and Biblical measures. not perfect every minute. but the disfellowshipping policy, based on Scripture, tends to put a real curb on nonsense that you find every minute in apostate Christendom (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Western Protestant). how many "pedophiles" or "wife beaters" get actually disfellowshipped from your average Methodist church?? see the point!!? the basic point is that wherever you find Adamites, sinners and imperfect people, sons and daughters of Adam, EVEN IN GOD'S TRUE CONGREGATION AND ARRANGMENT, there are BOUND to be jerks and wrong-doers and annoying people. like in the First Century too. (CAREFULLY READ THE BOOK OF JAMES, AS AN EXAMPLE.) do I agree with every single thing that the Watcthower has said or taught or done over the years. of course not. but that does not mean that I overlook that they overall have Biblical purity and the Truth. they have the most logical explanation of the Bible out of every other group, church, organization, or teacher, that I have studied and examined. (and believe me. I have looked at MANY, and have carefully studied scores of different groups and philosophies and doctrines, historically, linguistically, and Biblically) and tried to look at all of them open-mindedly and fairly. John Frye and Jon Mitchell, I'm sure, may have some legitimate grievances here and there, (although I'm sure too that they are exaggerated and distorted in many ways, and therefore tickling to your ears, your being willing to biasly believe anything negative or criticizing of the Watchtower), but it seems that they miss the overall point. and fallen into the demonic trap of Korah. I'm NOT a Watcthower zombie. trust me on that. but I look carefully at both sides of the tale. people generally believe what they WANT to believe, not necessarily what the true hard cold rude facts actually support all the time. and of course that goes both ways. not every single syllable in Watctower publications is absolutely correct every single second. I'll grant that. and not every single elder of Jehovah's witnesses is always 100% accurate, reasonable, honest, fair, or even Biblical in practice or doctrine. and there have been some kooky unfair annoying things in the congregations. NO KIDDING. but beyond that, I'll grant very little more. none of that negates them having the Truth, in the Last Days of this wicked and corrupt world. And also, I put out a NewsLetter (that you'll probably found out more about in the future) that examines news, science, technology, sex, biology, theology, history, etc. various subjects of life. and it ultimately glorifies the Most High. and also defends His true witnesses and servants in these "Last Days". anyway, the point is that through a careful and honest unbiased examination of history, logic, nature, scienc, and Holy Scripture, the Watchtower, overall, can be seen to be sound, true, accurate, pure, and Biblical. overall. Pure Biblical Separated and Sactified True Christianity is the Truth. and in these "Last Days", as the unbiased and hard evidence and the physical facts show, is found really only among the despised and persecuted group known as Jehovah's witnesses--the Lord's true witnesses--and their "faithful slave" class. (Matthew 24:45) Dispensing spiritual "meat in due season". Not popular in a corrupt and demon-controlled world. The Bible is exalted by them as God's True Inspired Word, and the True Infallible Guide on sound living. not just in word BUT IN ACTUAL PRACTICE !!!! no flesh defiler (like chronic cigarrette smokers) or practicing homosexuals or fornicators or chronic drunks or embezzelers or cursers allowed. or people engaged in pagan and corrupt practices and customs and worldly corrupt schemes and demonic politics. clean people, overall. overall. I hope you get that point. The fact is that that real evidence shows, seen from Holy Scripture and divine reason and logic that, in the "End Times", there can be only on true Organ, Channel, and Congregation and Arrangement used by God. Just as God used one typical Ark and "Church of Noah" arrangement, separated from the rest of the corrupt world, who many of them no doubt had some kind of "faith" in the God of Enoch at the time. but perished anyway. only ONE typical Congregation of Israel, that was organized and set up, under leadership THAT WAS BINDING on the rest of the people. and ONE true Christian Church under Central oversight in the 1st Century A.D. See Genesis 6:14-18; Exodus 29:10,11; Leviticus 25:55; Deuteronomy 5:1; Acts 15:6-31. for all the Korah-like rebels and emotionally stubborn and apostates out there, you probably don't like that it would be too much of a counter-act and a true balance to all the unreasonable distortions and exaggerated and unfair crap that's on there right now. (as I said, I'm sure that there are some elements of truth on this site. but from what I've seen, mostly distortions and rebellious whining overall.) anyway, I never claimed to be perfect myself. I just know that the first century Christians were not either. but were used by the Lord anyway, and had the correct doctrine overall. and were also "hated of all nations" and looked down upon as a "heresy" and "cult" or whatever by the corrupt pagan and pseudo-religious world around them. (and there IS Biblical "judging" going on with disfellowshippings.) Mark 13:13; Matthew 24:9; Acts 24:5, 14; 28:22; 2 Kings 23:13; 2 Peter 1:4; 2 Peter 2:19; Ephesians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 11:32 bye.
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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sweetscholar
the fact of the matter is that Jehovah's witnesses in this modern complex age are not perfect. (repetition for emphasis and importance was followed by Peter "by way of reminder", (2 Peter 1:13), under the Holy Spirit; so if that's the case, the first century Christians were "cultic" too. but we know that "orthodoxy" at the time, and the pagan demented unreasonable world in general viewed the early true Christians of the First Century A.D. as "heretical" and "cultic" also. so the so-called "expert" view that "reprinting" or repetition is a cultic tactic is like whatever. repetition of stressing and driving points home to brains that are prone to forget--human nature--is not only sensible, but wholly Biblical. those "experts" and critics should try reading the Bible (any translation) a bit more carefully. and seeing it honestly. instead of interpreting things by pre-conceptions, filters, biases, and hardened emotionalism.) but now to the ultimate point about the Watchtower and the Lord's witnesses in these Last Days. THEY AINT PERFECT BY ANY STRETCH !!!! duhh. that's understood. And some in authority HAVE gone overboard with control in certain areas. that can be admitted. but so what? the first century Christians, as is easily forgotten by many people many times, had major problems, like with church favoritism and politics and divisions and strife and sometimes an over-control, and also legalism issues (such as the circumcision issue and other things). Read both letters to the Corinthians and the letter of James and Galatians, and the first few chapters of Revelation to see what I'm talking about. But that did not make them not the Truth or the True Christian Church in the overall sense. despite the silly human nature that popped up so often. (children of Adam are THAT messed up and retarded, even with the Holy Spirit on them) so then, angry and emotionally distraught people who leave Jehovah's witnesses, over hurt feelings, and a desire to be so independent, or whatever other apostate rebellious-type reasons, are just like Korah, who the Holy Spirit warned against being like Jude 11. (it would be funny and courageous of you to post my emails are your demonic heretical apostate site. just for some REAL balance.) throwing out the baby with the bathwater is never a wise move. the fact of the matter is that true Christian Biblical sanctification and separation are found today only among Jehovah's witnesses. of course, the Watchtower is not infallible in the matter of faith, doctrine and morals, as the Pope of Rome claims to be. but rather it bases its words and contents on the Holy Bible (whatever version) and the original manuscripts and original language words, of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. as well as on current world events and physical facts. why do they abstain from smoking and pagan holidays and worldly corrupt politics? whereas Christendom (all corrupt branches) regularly engage in all that un-Scriptural anti-Biblical garbage? with nothing done to them? no church discipline. it's a joke. those are the real issues that need to be addressed. not wheather some elder in a local JW congregation got too uptight about side-burns or whatever. And also issues on Revelation of Temple this that or the other. yeah, the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses are by no means perfect. no kidding. but would you say that the cockeyed mentally diseased worldly pagan "Southern Baptist Convention" is really Biblical and truly truly better? and that they truly follow "be ye separate"? Jeremiah 10 and 2 Corinthians 6:17. Verses of Scripture are there for reasons. not to be so conveniently and arrogantly dismissed as of no consequence. the general principles are there. and are important to consider. and also, there are no "abusive step parents" among Methodists? or Pentecostals? Or Mormons? or Presbyterians? is that a joke? but do they ever eventually get disfellowshipped??? listen, you silly fools. please listen carefully. ABUSIVE ANYTHING ULTIMATELY WILL GET YOU RIGHTLY KICKED OUT OF THE JW CHURCH, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT SHOULD BE. but that does NOT generally happen among Roman Catholics or Greek Orthodox or EpiscoPAGANs. JWs leadership judge on the inside. and take appropriate and Biblical measures. not perfect every minute. but the disfellowshipping policy, based on Scripture, tends to put a real curb on nonsense that you find every minute in apostate Christendom (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Western Protestant). how many "pedophiles" or "wife beaters" get actually disfellowshipped from your average Methodist church?? see the point!!? the basic point is that wherever you find Adamites, sinners and imperfect people, sons and daughters of Adam, EVEN IN GOD'S TRUE CONGREGATION AND ARRANGMENT, there are BOUND to be jerks and wrong-doers and annoying people. like in the First Century too. (CAREFULLY READ THE BOOK OF JAMES, AS AN EXAMPLE.) do I agree with every single thing that the Watcthower has said or taught or done over the years. of course not. but that does not mean that I overlook that they overall have Biblical purity and the Truth. they have the most logical explanation of the Bible out of every other group, church, organization, or teacher, that I have studied and examined. (and believe me. I have looked at MANY, and have carefully studied scores of different groups and philosophies and doctrines, historically, linguistically, and Biblically) and tried to look at all of them open-mindedly and fairly. John Frye and Jon Mitchell, I'm sure, may have some legitimate grievances here and there, (although I'm sure too that they are exaggerated and distorted in many ways, and therefore tickling to your ears, your being willing to biasly believe anything negative or criticizing of the Watchtower), but it seems that they miss the overall point. and fallen into the demonic trap of Korah. I'm NOT a Watcthower zombie. trust me on that. but I look carefully at both sides of the tale. people generally believe what they WANT to believe, not necessarily what the true hard cold rude facts actually support all the time. and of course that goes both ways. not every single syllable in Watctower publications is absolutely correct every single second. I'll grant that. and not every single elder of Jehovah's witnesses is always 100% accurate, reasonable, honest, fair, or even Biblical in practice or doctrine. and there have been some kooky unfair annoying things in the congregations. NO KIDDING. but beyond that, I'll grant very little more. none of that negates them having the Truth, in the Last Days of this wicked and corrupt world. And also, I put out a NewsLetter (that you'll probably found out more about in the future) that examines news, science, technology, sex, biology, theology, history, etc. various subjects of life. and it ultimately glorifies the Most High. and also defends His true witnesses and servants in these "Last Days". anyway, the point is that through a careful and honest unbiased examination of history, logic, nature, scienc, and Holy Scripture, the Watchtower, overall, can be seen to be sound, true, accurate, pure, and Biblical. overall. Pure Biblical Separated and Sactified True Christianity is the Truth. and in these "Last Days", as the unbiased and hard evidence and the physical facts show, is found really only among the despised and persecuted group known as Jehovah's witnesses--the Lord's true witnesses--and their "faithful slave" class. (Matthew 24:45) Dispensing spiritual "meat in due season". Not popular in a corrupt and demon-controlled world. The Bible is exalted by them as God's True Inspired Word, and the True Infallible Guide on sound living. not just in word BUT IN ACTUAL PRACTICE !!!! no flesh defiler (like chronic cigarrette smokers) or practicing homosexuals or fornicators or chronic drunks or embezzelers or cursers allowed. or people engaged in pagan and corrupt practices and customs and worldly corrupt schemes and demonic politics. clean people, overall. overall. I hope you get that point. The fact is that that real evidence shows, seen from Holy Scripture and divine reason and logic that, in the "End Times", there can be only on true Organ, Channel, and Congregation and Arrangement used by God. Just as God used one typical Ark and "Church of Noah" arrangement, separated from the rest of the corrupt world, who many of them no doubt had some kind of "faith" in the God of Enoch at the time. but perished anyway. only ONE typical Congregation of Israel, that was organized and set up, under leadership THAT WAS BINDING on the rest of the people. and ONE true Christian Church under Central oversight in the 1st Century A.D. See Genesis 6:14-18; Exodus 29:10,11; Leviticus 25:55; Deuteronomy 5:1; Acts 15:6-31. for all the Korah-like rebels and emotionally stubborn and apostates out there, you probably don't like that it would be too much of a counter-act and a true balance to all the unreasonable distortions and exaggerated and unfair crap that's on there right now. (as I said, I'm sure that there are some elements of truth on this site. but from what I've seen, mostly distortions and rebellious whining overall.) anyway, I never claimed to be perfect myself. I just know that the first century Christians were not either. but were used by the Lord anyway, and had the correct doctrine overall. and were also "hated of all nations" and looked down upon as a "heresy" and "cult" or whatever by the corrupt pagan and pseudo-religious world around them. (and there IS Biblical "judging" going on with disfellowshippings.) Mark 13:13; Matthew 24:9; Acts 24:5, 14; 28:22; 2 Kings 23:13; 2 Peter 1:4; 2 Peter 2:19; Ephesians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 11:32 bye.
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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cuz I went into things that you don't like and it was a bit too long for a cockeyed nut such as yourself to read and honestly carefully comprehend? your screen name and picture show that YOU are the one in serious need of medication. or serious therapy. nobody's perfect, sonny. but whatever. I'm sorry if my posting was too much for your pea brain to handle. I know that babies like you need small spoonfuls. I'll try to remember that, and keep it a little shorter. (did I tell you that you look like a demented creep in your picture? a wacko. so I guess you should know about 'medication'. I bet you've had your fill of xanix and zoloft and paxil and whatever else. I stay away from drugs. too devilish. and toxic. I'm not perfect, I admit. but doofis, you don't even come close. try addressing the specific points of my writing instead of childishly and schmuckishly saying silly crap. if your mind can grasp what I wrote, that is. apparently it can't. lata.
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on a co-equal trinity and pagan holidays
by sweetscholar init's easy to see straws or beams or splinters in other people's eyes, and yet fail to notice the trunks and logs and things in our own eyes.
but anyway, about those emails.
there are points that are never really truly honestly addressed.
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It's easy to see straws or beams or splinters in other people's eyes, and yet fail to notice the trunks and logs and things in our own eyes. We all do it. but anyway, about those emails. there are points that are never really truly honestly addressed. that there are "cases"; and then there are "REAL cases" that can be put forth that have merit. superman or godzilla or David Koresh in Waco thinking that He's God's Lamb and mankind's Savior have no real merit, and are not strong cases. in the spirit of fairness and honesty, I conceded that a "case" (though not a bullet-proof or totally air-tight case) can be made for a co-eternal trinity concept, literal conscious "hell-fire", etc, but NOT for things like Mary was immaculately conceived or that it's ok to bow and pray and kiss statues and icons in worshipful manner. (Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox). or the Mormon idea that God the Father is Flesh and Bones. those things have NO strong "case". but if you're honest, it must be admitted that a good "case" can be made for the Semi-Arian Paternal Supremacy position also. and so forth. And to re-iterate concerning things you said and repeated. The Father Almighty wants me to worship Jesus. Jehovah in Heaven surely wants that. on that we agree. God the Father wants me to worship our Lord and His Son the way His Word outlines. And after the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, with high "proskyneo," like the angels are to do. (Hebrews 1:6) and with high praise and honor and devotion. (Revelation 5) but do I see the "alone" type of "latriea" being told to me, in the Bible, to go to Christ? it's not clearly there. and as I said, I can only go by what I see and what I know and by what is clearly revealed in Scripture. "proskyneo" and "latriea" are NOT the exact same, is what fairly compelling internal Biblical and Linguistical evidence indicates, that they're really different in level and degree, then there's not much further I can say or do. (if, Biblically and Linguistically speaking, the Greek "proskyneo" are "latreia" are exactly the same thing, then why would the Holy Spirit choose to use different words in the first place?)
and why wouldn't the Spirit make it super-abundantly without-even-a-smidgen-of-a-doubt clear that "latreia" goes expressly unambiguously to God's Son? and why did the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus put the word "alone" in the "latriea" part of the statement in Luke 4? why does proskyneo go to both Father and Son in the "New Testament" from all creation properly, yet "latriea" (the "alone" latriea of Luke 4) only clearly irrefutably goes only to God the Father properly in Scripture? (remember the number of Verses that I put in bold type showing that.) the distinctions are NOT "imagined". I did not imagine the word "alone" in Luke 4, with regard to "latreia", but never in regard to "proskyneo" in the "New Testament." I did not "imagine" the fact that "latriea" never goes to Christ in the "New Testament." the strict "alone" type sacred service. I did not make those things up. check it out carefully. and it's not a Unitarian "invention" or "imagination" or concoction. and really, what would be the point even??
Also, it's NOT "nit-picking" about the points about being truly separated and sanctified like God's Word directs. Don't confuse me with the Holy Spirit, people. I didn't say these things; God's inspired Word did. and not just an "interpretation" either. The general principles are there. "For OUR INSTRUCTION". (Romans 15:4) But a true and Scriptural and clear understanding of pointed and cutting Verses. Because if that's the case, then God Himself is a nit-picker. I did not say to "not mix the true with the false," that was the Word and Spirit of God that said that. AND THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE IS THERE. that apostate Protestants and "Christendom" in general violate left and right. paganism and corruption and worldliness. mixing with the world's vain customs, politics, and vanity, and "hot air". (Jeremiah 10). Why would God put those things in the Bible, if it's only to be relegated to that specific time, in Israel or Bablyon exclusively? "All things were written AFORETIME, FOR OUR INSTRUCTION." (Romans 15:4) I did not say "touch not the unclean thing" and also "what agreement does Christ have with Belial" or "decorating trees is a 'vain custom' of the nations, and 'hot air', and is idolatry" and "decking it with silver and gold" is what heathen idol-woshippers did(Jeremiah 10:4) and as a general applicable principle "learn NOT the way of the pagan nations and peoples" like Egyptian Evergreens that people used to worship and decorate in times past (how was your Christmas by the way?
Did Christ in Heaven approve of all that pagan crap? all that junk dumped on His supposed "birthday" on the Feast of Saturnalia, the Babylonian and Egyptian Sun-God, and winter solsctice. mixed with the Bible. yikes. picking at "nits" is the way apostate Christendom (all corrupt branches) looks at these things. not thinking that God cares. not very careful Bible students I see. not really following "all Scripture" (2 Timothy 3:16) and not truly pure in Christian conduct and un-tainted living and practice. and also mingling and involved in worldly corrupt elections and nationalism and politics and insane wars. and just general impurity. yet making a silly fuss over things like "trinity" and whatever else.
calling Jesus "God and Lord" yet not really doing what He commands, nor what His God and Father says to do and not do. yeah, trifles, sure. "nitish" stuff. I'm sure those who perished in the Flood thought they were ok with the God of Enoch too. thinking that preaching and building and Ark and being so separate from the rest of the world was not all that necessary. it's scary. again, let me repeat: I'll worship Jesus the way the Bible says I should, AND NOT BEYOND THAT. again, also what I said before about just how old Christ is: BEGINNING (ARKHIE) of God's creation. not "beginnER" but "beginnING", and not "ruler" (a different Greek word) of God's creation" according to Revelation 3:14, but "the first" of it (Proverbs 8:22-36; Collossians 1:15-18, and compare John 2:11 for the word "arkhie" or "beginnig" of Christ's miracles. in other words, THE FIRST miracle, not separate from the group of miracles. so Christ is THE FIRST of God's Productions, before ages. therefore not the same age as His Father.
No true son is as old as his father. in whatever dimension or realm. if you want to give "latriea" to Jesus (thinking that "latriea" and "proskyneo" are no different) then it's your choice. I'll instead stick carefully with the Bible's prescription of it though. and I'll understand that no word or variety of words are in the Bible for no reason. if distinctions and differentiations are made and shown when they are read, then I will make a careful note of it, and not stubbornly refuse to see it nor deny it. and if the Father is greater than the Son, as the Son Himself confessed (John 14:28; 20:17; Revelation 3:12), then why shouldn't the Father receive "greater" worship? "Latriea," that only clearly goes to the Father in the Bible, and has the word "alone" in front of it???? and also, if you want to think that Christ is a make-believe Son of God, and not a True Genuine Son, and not the REAL "Firstborn" Son of God, in the literal and truest sense, then knock yourself out. But I tried to put forth sound reason and doctrine.
And I also told you that if the Bible clearly showed that Christ had no beginning, and was just a figurative metaphorical "Son", and was literally and clearly equal to the Father (in those precise and clear words) then I would believe and proclaim it. but since those things are NOT expressly and clearly and undeniably shown in Scripture, I will refrain from doing or saying stuff like that. I'll "NOT go beyond what is clearly set down in Scripture" (1 Corinthians 4:6) in a pretense and notion and distorted view that I'm honoring Christ, and claiming that I am "Christ's own", while at the same time disobeying His Bible and His Word and His Will, left and right, upside down, inside out, and think that it's just "nits". disobeying His Bible in various important ways, and mixing demonism with Christianity, and thinking it's "trifles" or no big deal, Nah, I won't do that, sir. I'll take seriously what God takes seriously. Without watering those things down, or ignoring them. or pooh-poohing the principles. (it's not easy to be a truly separated and sanctified and true and pure and untainted Christian, and "no part of the world" and all its pagan and political corruption.) (And if you still continue to think that those things are so minor and are "nits", and that God doesn't really care about them, then please try to read these following verses; and, people, it's the Bible, so there should be no objection from you, to reading the Bible, and taking a few minutes, and examining verses of Scripture. Since you say that you love the Bible. For real. And I DID READ the few verses that you mentioned in your emails. Romans and etc. These verses here are interesting (in any version of the Bible) : 2 Corinthians 6:15-18; Revelation 21:27; 18:2,4; 9:20,21; Jeremiah 10:2-5; Luke 13:24; Psalm 106:39; Isaiah 52:11; Ezekiel 22:3; Deuteronomy 32:17; 1 Corinthians 10:20,21; Luke 6:46; etc.) Gabe -
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by carla inis there any one scripture (or more) that really suprised you once you took the wt glasses off and just read the bible as is, without all the extra literature?
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It's easy to see straws or beams or splinters in other people's eyes, and yet fail to notice the trunks and logs and things in our own eyes. We all do it. but anyway, about those emails. there are points that are never really truly honestly addressed. that there are "cases"; and then there are "REAL cases" that can be put forth that have merit. superman or godzilla or David Koresh in Waco thinking that He's God's Lamb and mankind's Savior have no real merit, and are not strong cases. in the spirit of fairness and honesty, I conceded that a "case" (though not a bullet-proof or totally air-tight case) can be made for a co-eternal trinity concept, literal conscious "hell-fire", etc, but NOT for things like Mary was immaculately conceived or that it's ok to bow and pray and kiss statues and icons in worshipful manner. (Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox). or the Mormon idea that God the Father is Flesh and Bones. those things have NO strong "case". but if you're honest, it must be admitted that a good "case" can be made for the Semi-Arian Paternal Supremacy position also. and so forth. And to re-iterate concerning things you said and repeated. The Father Almighty wants me to worship Jesus. Jehovah in Heaven surely wants that. on that we agree. God the Father wants me to worship our Lord and His Son the way His Word outlines. And after the death, burial, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, with high "proskyneo," like the angels are to do. (Hebrews 1:6) and with high praise and honor and devotion. (Revelation 5) but do I see the "alone" type of "latriea" being told to me, in the Bible, to go to Christ? no I don't see it, cuz it aint clearly there to see. and as I said, I can only go by what I see and what I know and by what is clearly revealed in Scripture. if you choose not to see that "proskyneo" and "latriea" are NOT the exact same, despite fairly compelling internal Biblical and Linguistical evidence that kinda says that they're really different in level and degree, then there's not much further I can say or do. (again, you never really answered my question that if, Biblically and Linguistically speaking, the Greek "proskyneo" are "latreia" are exactly the same thing, then why would the Holy Spirit choose to use different words in the first place?) and why wouldn't the Spirit make it super-abundantly without-even-a-smidgen-of-a-doubt clear that "latreia" goes expressly unambiguously to God's Son? and why did the Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus put the word "alone" in the "latriea" part of the statement in Luke 4? why does proskyneo go to both Father and Son in the "New Testament" from all creation properly, yet "latriea" (the "alone" latriea of Luke 4) only clearly irrefutably goes only to God the Father properly in Scripture? (remember the number of Verses that I put in bold type showing that.) the distinctions are NOT "imagined". I did not imagine the word "alone" in Luke 4, with regard to "latreia", but never in regard to "proskyneo" in the "New Testament." I did not "imagine" the fact that "latriea" never goes to Christ in the "New Testament", the strict "alone" type sacred service. I did not make those things up. well that's that, Robert. and it's not a Unitarian "invention" or "imagination" or concoction. and really, what would be the point even?? Also, I have to say that I was NOT "nit-picking" about the points about being truly separated and sanctified like God's Word directs. Don't confuse me with the Holy Spirit, Robert. I didn't say these things; God's inspired Word did. and not just an "interpretation" either. The general principles are there. "For OUR INSTRUCTION". (Romans 15:4) But a true and Scriptural and clear understanding of pointed and cutting Verses. Because if that's the case, then God Himself is a nit-picker. I did not say to "not mix the true with the false," that was the Word and Spirit of God that said that. AND THE GENERAL PRINCIPLE IS THERE. Why would God put those things in the Bible, if it's only to be relegated to that specific time, in Israel or Bablyon exclusively? "All things were written AFORETIME, FOR OUR INSTRUCTION." (Romans 15:4) I did not say "touch not the unclean thing" and also "what agreement does Christ have with Belial" or "decorating trees is a 'vain custom' of the nations, and 'hot air', and is idolatry" and "decking it with silver and gold" is what heathen idol-woshippers did(Jeremiah 10:4) and as a general applicable principle "learn NOT the way of the pagan nations and peoples" like Egyptian Evergreens that people used to worship and decorate in times past (how was your Christmas by the way? did Christ in Heaven approve of all that pagan crap? all that junk dumped on His supposed "birthday" on the Feast of Saturnalia, the Babylonian and Egyptian Sun-God, and winter solsctice. mixed with the Bible. yikes. picking at "nits" is the way apostate Christendom (all corrupt branches) looks at these things. not thinking that God cares. not very careful Bible students I see. not really following "all Scripture" (2 Timothy 3:16) and not truly pure in Christian conduct and un-tainted living and practice. and also mingling and involved in worldly corrupt elections and nationalism and politics and insane wars. and just general impurity. yet making a silly fuss over things like "trinity" and whatever else. calling Jesus "God and Lord" yet not really doing what He commands, nor what His God and Father says to do and not do. yeah, trifles, sure. "nitish" stuff. I'm sure those who perished in the Flood thought they were ok with the God of Enoch too. thinking that preaching and building and Ark and being so separate from the rest of the world was not all that necessary. it's scary. again, let me repeat: I'll worship Jesus the way the Bible says I should, AND NOT BEYOND THAT. again, also what I said before about just how old Christ is: BEGINNING (ARKHIE) of God's creation. not "beginnER" but "beginnING", and not "ruler" (a different Greek word) of God's creation" according to Revelation 3:14, but "the first" of it (Proverbs 8:22-36; Collossians 1:15-18, and compare John 2:11 for the word "arkhie" or "beginnig" of Christ's miracles. in other words, THE FIRST miracle, not separate from the group of miracles. so Christ is THE FIRST of God's Productions, before ages. therefore not the same age as His Father. No true son is as old as his father. in whatever dimension or realm. if you want to give "latriea" to Jesus (thinking that "latriea" and "proskyneo" are no different) then it's your choice. I'll instead stick carefully with the Bible's prescription of it though. and I'll understand that no word or variety of words are in the Bible for no reason. if distinctions and differentiations are made and shown when they are read, then I will make a careful note of it, and not stubbornly refuse to see it nor deny it. and if the Father is greater than the Son, as the Son Himself confessed (John 14:28; 20:17; Revelation 3:12), then why shouldn't the Father receive "greater" worship? "Latriea," that only clearly goes to the Father in the Bible, and has the word "alone" in front of it???? and also, if you want to think that Christ is a make-believe Son of God, and not a True Genuine Son, and not the REAL "Firstborn" Son of God, in the literal and truest sense, then knock yourself out. But I tried to put forth sound reason and doctrine. And I also told you that if the Bible clearly showed that Christ had no beginning, and was just a figurative metaphorical "Son", and was literally and clearly equal to the Father (in those precise and clear words) then I would believe and proclaim it. but since those things are NOT expressly and clearly and undeniably shown in Scripture, I will refrain from doing or saying stuff like that. I'll "NOT go beyond what is clearly set down in Scripture" (1 Corinthians 4:6) in a pretense and notion and distorted view that I'm honoring Christ, and claiming that I am "Christ's own", while at the same time disobeying His Bible and His Word and His Will, left and right, upside down, inside out, and think that it's just "nits". disobeying His Bible in various important ways, and mixing demonism with Christianity, and thinking it's "trifles" or no big deal, Nah, I won't do that, sir. I'll take seriously what God takes seriously. Without watering those things down, or ignoring them. or pooh-poohing the principles. (it's not easy to be a truly separated and sanctified and true and pure and untainted Christian, and "no part of the world" and all its pagan and political corruption.) (And if you still continue to think that those things are so minor and are "nits", and that God doesn't really care about them, then please try to read these following verses; and, Robert, it's the Bible, so there should be no objection from you, to reading the Bible, and taking a few minutes, and examining verses of Scripture. Since you say that you love the Bible. For real. And I DID READ the few verses that you mentioned in your emails. Romans and etc. These verses here are interesting (in any version of the Bible) : 2 Corinthians 6:15-18; Revelation 21:27; 18:2,4; 9:20,21; Jeremiah 10:2-5; Luke 13:24; Psalm 106:39; Isaiah 52:11; Ezekiel 22:3; Deuteronomy 32:17; 1 Corinthians 10:20,21; Luke 6:46; etc.) Gabe
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JW's: Polytheists?
by jstalin ini was thinking today about the issue of jesus' deity (or lack thereof), according to the wts.
they say that jehovah is god, jesus is not the same as jehovah, but that jesus is a god.
doesn't that make jws polytheists?
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sweetscholar
John 1:1, according to the original unbiased Greek language usage, DISTINGUISHES Christ from the Father NOT just in terms of "Person" but also in terms of "theos". that's the point that is generally obscured in most English translations of the Bible (put together by biased trinitarians, so duhh) In other words, Christ the Logos is called INDEFINITE "theos" or an INdefinite "God", without the definite article "the" in front of it (or the Greek "ho"), like the Father CLEARLY is all the time. The Father in John 1:1 is called THE GOD, "HO Theos". now if Christ and the Father are literally the same exact Absolute God, then why use a lesser term and a more INdefinite word for "god" in Greek, for the pre-existent Christ? But nevertheless Jesus is "God", but not the Very Absolute Unbegotten God, like His Father is. The Father is Jesus' own God. Jesus worships His Father as His own God. Just as a "Man"? But also before, during, and after He came down to earth as well? "I ALWAYS do My Father's Will". subordination, people. non-equality. The Father is the Head and Sovereign of everything. Jesus answers to His Father. The Father answers to no one. Wake up. But Jesus is "God" and is "worshipped" in a BROAD sense. Jesus is "God" over the circumstances. Just like Moses and Elijah and Angels, but only to a much higher degree. JWs are not "polytheists" but hold Scripturally that there is ONE SUPREME ALMIGHTY ABSOLUTE GOD, the Father of Christ. The fact is that nowhere in the New Testament is Christ clearly unambiguously called "THE God" or "HO Theos", but the Father clearly irrefutably is. The original Greek and language words need to be considered. But it needs to be understood that Biblically (and Protestantism generally refuses to see this fact) that there are "gods" in the Bible not necessarily "false", but are in a broad sense. others are called 'gods' (and the Scripture cannot be broken) in the Bible (John 10:34,35), Jewish Kings and Judges, (Psalm 82:6; 82:1; 95:3) Angels (Hebrews 2:7; Psalm 8:5 original Hebrew "Elohim" for angels--gods), and Moses was called GOD Elohim, the very same term used for Jehovah !!! (Exodus 7:1). and exclusive "latriea" only clearly goes to God the Father in the New Testament, never clearly unambiguously to the Son. only the broader "proskyneo" in the New Testament goes properly to both the Father and Son, for "worship" in the broader sense, which in the Old Testament went even to King David right alongside Jehovah !!!! (See 1 Chronicles 29:20; 2 Chronicles 24:17) Christ never clearly receives the high "latreia" in the Greek "New Testament" like His Father does, not even in Revelation. and what about Revelation 5:13? does that prove the same exact degree of "worship" in the argument of strict "latriea"??? where do you see the word "worship" or "sacred service" or "serve" or "latriea" in Revelation 5:13???? again, it's called trinitarian EISegesis, reading things INTO texts, that are not actually there. Because "blessing and honor and glory" are properly given to the Father and Son, to God and the Lamb, that means in your minds that "latriea" is also given to the Son????? can we say "grasping at straws"? ayayaya) but to respond to what you said before, I actually know who Jesus Christ really is: THE PRE-EXISTENT ONLY-BEGOTTEN DIVINE FIRST-BEGOTTEN SON OF THE DIVINE LIVING ALMIGHTY TRUE GOD, The Word and Wisdom, and "Angel of the LORD" who led the Israelites in the wilderness, and who has "God's Name within Him," the Highest Messenger and Angel of God "Who Is Like God", through Whom everything was created by the Father, God's Beloved Son and Messiah and Appointed Savior and Prince, who came down as a perfect sinless man, to glorify the Father, and redeem sinners, and to save "all those obeying Him." and without Whom THERE IS NO SALVATION OR HOPE !!!!! no hope out of death or the grave or the Lake of Fire. the Lord Jesus Christ. The ONLY way to Almighty God and to everlasting life and health and peace and happiness. well, that's it in a nutshell, basically. and even if you did actually take the time to read every word in my other email to you (which I tend to doubt you actually did), the point is that people generally believe what they WANT to believe, see what they WANT to see, and ignore what they WANT to ignore, not necessarily what the real hard cold unbiased rude and stubborn facts actually support. I will say this. AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE FOR THE DOCTRINE OF A CO-EQUAL TRINITY. Let's face it. The Scriptures show that the Father, Son, and Spirit made the universe (can we get an Amen to that?), and are responsible for salvation, redemption, justification, and sanctification. Nobody really doubts or denies that the Holy Scriptures teach these things. But human nature being what it is, and of course the subtle devices, designs, and contaminations of Satan the Devil thrown in, people tend to go BEYOND what is actually set down, for emotional reasons, traditional reasons, and Adamic silliness, etc. Can you deny that fact in general? The real question is does the Holy Bible (especially the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TEXTS) really truly unambigously teach and say that the Son is actually literally equal with God the Father in every single thing? And does the Bible show UNAMBIGUOUSLY and clearly that the exclusive term "latriea" is properly and expressly and irrefutably given to the Son as well as to the Father? The HONEST answer is No. Not necessarily what I personally want the Bible to say or not say, but what it actually really honestly genuinely does say and say not. In fact, it would suit me just fine if the Bible taught clearly that Jesus was literaly Almighty God in the same Absolute way that God the Father Jehovah is. It would save me headaches and nonsense. And I admit that that notion, in a way, IS more romantic and emotionally appealing. In other words, that it was not just God's Firstborn that came down to die for us, but actually God Almighty Himself that came down to die for us and save fallen man. Yes, that idea has an emotional appeal that I would not mind for myself. But I have to be intellectualy honest and unbiased and accurate and true to things. The Council of Nicea was a godless mess, presided and decided by a corrupt pagan emperor, and heretics and neo-Platonists, and Scripture-distorters. I don't agree with everything that Arius said or taught either. I'm considered more a SEMI-Arian (if you want to use those terms) than an Arian. But whatever. If the Scriptures taught the Athanasian Creed or the Nicene Creed (or at least very close to it) then I'd whole-heartedly follow and believe it. But sadly, the inspired Bible does NOT so clearly state those man-made ideas and credal concepts. It simply doesn't. The Supremacy of God the Father is always upheld and secured in the Bible. The Bible really teaches the absolute sovereignty and supreme Godship of the Heavenly Father alone, EVEN OVER HIS SON !!! (John 14:28; 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 11:3; Revelation 3:12-14, etc.) You don't really know me or what I have investigated or researched. I LOOKED INTO ALL ANGLES, ALL SIDES, AND ALL VIEWPOINTS, before deciding. I had given an open mind and a careful and fair consideration to the co-equal trinitarian arguments and apologists and expositers. For real I did. (I have soooo many books and tapes that argue for the trinity and the co-equal deity of Christ. So much material. The Athanasians and their arguments and beliefs and expositions.) And I looked at the Oneness Modalist Sabellian side of the argument, as well the Arian view and Semi-Arian view, and Eusebian view, Unitarian, JW, Russell, etc.) I heard all sides of this tale. This issue that the Devil has so muddied and distorted, it's like not funny. The hard fact, again, is that "latriea" is given to the God (the Father) in the Bible, onlyyyy. And to say so dogmatically and moronically and without real good foundation that in Revelation 22:3 it just HAS to be referring to the Lord Jesus, instead of only to God His Father, is not only annoying, but twisted and sick, when you take into real consideration THAT EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE HOLY BIBLE, the exclusive "latriea" is unambiguously and only given to the Almighty Father. I already went to the three solid reasons why Revelation 22:3 could NOT be referring to the Son (or the Father and Son) but rather to the Father only. again, just to reiterate quickly. (A) the Father was mentioned right there in the very same sentence, and (B) a singular pronoun was used instead of plural pronoun "them", like could have been as in "and THEIR wrath has come" Rev 6:17 NIV, ESV, NASB , NWT, and (C) EVERY OTHER OCCURENCE IN THE HOLY BIBLE (ESPECIALLY THE "New Testament") WHERE THE GREEK EXCLUSIVE WORD "LATRIEA" OCCURS, IT IS ONLY IN REFERENCE TO GOD THE FATHER, UNAMBIGUOUSLY AND CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLY !!!!!!!!!!! I hope that YOU really get to know who the real Jesus of Scripture truly is. GOD'S TRUE SON, BEGOTTEN AND PRODUCED DIRECTLY BY GOD THE FATHER, BEFORE AGES, AND WHO BECAME A PERFECT SINLESS AND HOLY MAN, AS THE MESSIAH OF ISRAEL, AND HOLY PRINCE, NO MORE AND NO LESS, AND TO BE OUR PASSOVER LAMB AND RANSOM SACRIFICE FOR CONDEMNED SINNERS, AND TO SANCTIFY HIS HEAVENLY FATHER'S DIVINE NAME, AND TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM AND OF GRACE. God's True Firstborn Son. Not some "figurative" Son, or some mystical trinitarian convoluted confusing "son", but a true begotten and brought forth Son, and who made the heavens and the earth, at the bidding and in the service of God, with the materials supplied by God the Father, and at His direction and supreme charge. If anything I just wrote is not really Scriptural, then don't just assert that it's not altogether Scriptural, buddy, BUT PROVE IT CHAPTER AND VERSE. Otherwise, anything you say rings sooooo hollow. I could show you Verse after Verse, unadulterated, that supports everything I just wrote. (just like you have many people, like Charles Stanely the wacko, pushing the non-Scriptural demon-inspired idea of unconditional "eternal security" or "once saved always saved" no matter what a person does or doesn't do, and regardless of James 2 and A HOST of different Verses in the Gospels and Pauline Epistles and Revelation that "eternal security" is conditioned on faithfulness and obedience to known Truths --Romans, 1 Corinthians, Mathew, etc--because it's "feel good" religion and emotionally appealing, and it's what a person WANTS to believe, rather than what the REAL Biblical data support and teach and indicate. The willfully stubborn will simply not want to see all the Verses and comparisons and cross-references and true unbiased meanings and clear points of Verses of Scripture. The Bible was written in such a way so as to test men's hearts. God knew that there would be this crap. To separate the men from the boys. Who had the guts to stick up for REAL UNADULTERATED UNPOPULAR BIBLE TRUTHS AND FACTS, regardless of cockeyed "church councils" or partially true partially false and dopey "church creeds and confessions" or "historic positions" and emotional "traditions" of men and man-made corrupted churches, and popular beliefs, AND regardless of what men around them would think or say about them. The pure Truth is not popular in a demon-controlled world. And Satan is crafty. And subtle. One big thing he's pulled off is having people think that calling Christ Almighty God in the same sense as the Father, and confusing co-equal co-eternal non-sensical "Trinity" is bringing praise and honor to Christ, and on the surface it seems so. Mixing truth with lies and distortions and extremism and exaggerations. And the Devil has been laughing his ass off for centuries now. Ever since around the time demonized Constantine and the arch-heretic Athanasius presided over that godless mess, called the Council of Nicea, in 325 C.E. A Roman Catholic council. If you're intellectually and historically honest, the trinity doctrine is actually a Roman Catholic doctrine and heresy. Which ostensibly brings honor to Christ, but actualy DIShonors both Him and the Father, since it contradicts and confuses what both of Them believe and teach, and denies the true honest and factual reality about Them. The Father is truly greater than the Son, as Christ Himself confessed, WITHOUT qualifications about "manhood only." Jesus called the Father "My God." The Father calls NO BODY "My God." The Father is SUPREME, buddy. (John 14:28; John 17; John 20:17) The Trinity doctrine contradicts our Lord's words. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Again, IF the Holy Bible really clearly unambiguously Athanasianism and real credal Trinitarianism--that Almighty God was actually three co-equal co-eternal and con-substantial (a Sabellian term by the way) Persons con-joined in One Supreme Being--and that Jesus Christ was actually literally truly equal with His Father in every single thing, and co-eternal with Him, THEN I WOULD BELIEVE AND PREACH IT. But I don't find such clear undeniable unambiguous things in there. And don't give me this gas about "oh you can't believe it unless you have the Holy Spirit and faith" blah blah blah. Spare me that retarded line. It's weak and silly. Anyway, that's basically it. Everything I've said has NOT been refuted one iota, either logically or Biblically. So I said (actually what God's Word says) still stands. May God help you and open your eyes and heart and save you from your sins and issues, and hopefully you'll get right with Him. I don't wish anything bad on anybody. May the Lord keep you, and good day. (if you wanna respond, please do so.) G.R.
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JW's: Polytheists?
by jstalin ini was thinking today about the issue of jesus' deity (or lack thereof), according to the wts.
they say that jehovah is god, jesus is not the same as jehovah, but that jesus is a god.
doesn't that make jws polytheists?
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sweetscholar
Jesus is "God" over the circumstances. Just like Moses and Elijah and Angels, but only to a much higher degree. JWs are not "polytheists" but hold Scripturally that there is ONE SUPREME ALMIGHTY ABSOLUTE GOD, the Father of Christ. The fact is that nowhere in the New Testament is Christ clearly unambiguously called "THE God" or "HO Theos", but the Father clearly irrefutably is. The original Greek and language words need to be considered. But it needs to be understood that Biblically (and Protestantism generally refuses to see this fact) that there are "gods" in the Bible not necessarily "false", but are in a broad sense. others are called 'gods' (and the Scripture cannot be broken) in the Bible (John 10:34,35), Jewish Kings and Judges, (Psalm 82:6; 82:1; 95:3) Angels (Hebrews 2:7; Psalm 8:5 original Hebrew "Elohim" for angels--gods), and Moses was called GOD Elohim (Exodus 7:1). and exclusive "latriea" only clearly goes to God the Father in the New Testament, never clearly unambiguously to the Son. only the broader "proskyneo" in the New Testament goes properly to both the Father and Son, for "worship" in the broader sense, which in the Old Testament went even to King David right alongside Jehovah !!!! (See 1 Chronicles 29:20; 2 Chronicles 24:17) Christ never clearly receives the high "latreia" in the Greek "New Testament" like His Father does, not even in Revelation. and what about Revelation 5:13? that proves the same exact degree of "worship" in the argument of strict "latriea"??? where do you see the word "worship" or "sacred service" or "serve" or "latriea" in Revelation 5:13???? again, it's called trinitarian EISegesis, reading things INTO texts, that are not actually there. Because "blessing and honor and glory" are properly given to the Father and Son, to God and the Lamb, that means in your minds that "latriea" is also given to the Son????? can we say "grasping at straws"? ayayaya) but to respond to what you said before, I actually know who Jesus Christ really is: THE PRE-EXISTENT ONLY-BEGOTTEN DIVINE FIRST-BEGOTTEN SON OF THE DIVINE LIVING ALMIGHTY TRUE GOD, The Word and Wisdom, and "Angel of the LORD" who led the Israelites in the wilderness, and who has "God's Name within Him," the Highest Messenger and Angel of God "Who Is Like God", through Whom everything was created by the Father, God's Beloved Son and Messiah and Appointed Savior and Prince, who came down as a perfect sinless man, to glorify the Father, and redeem sinners, and to save "all those obeying Him." and without Whom THERE IS NO SALVATION OR HOPE !!!!! no hope out of death or the grave or the Lake of Fire. the Lord Jesus Christ. The ONLY way to Almighty God and to everlasting life and health and peace and happiness. well, that's it in a nutshell, basically. and even if you did actually take the time to read every word in my other email to you (which I tend to doubt you actually did), the point is that people generally believe what they WANT to believe, see what they WANT to see, and ignore what they WANT to ignore, not necessarily what the real hard cold unbiased rude and stubborn facts actually support. I will say this. AN ARGUMENT CAN BE MADE FOR THE DOCTRINE OF A CO-EQUAL TRINITY. Let's face it. The Scriptures show that the Father, Son, and Spirit made the universe (can we get an Amen to that?), and are responsible for salvation, redemption, justification, and sanctification. Nobody really doubts or denies that the Holy Scriptures teach these things. But human nature being what it is, and of course the subtle devices, designs, and contaminations of Satan the Devil thrown in, people tend to go BEYOND what is actually set down, for emotional reasons, traditional reasons, and Adamic silliness, etc. Can you deny that fact in general? The real question is does the Holy Bible (especially the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE TEXTS) really truly unambigously teach and say that the Son is actually literally equal with God the Father in every single thing? And does the Bible show UNAMBIGUOUSLY and clearly that the exclusive term "latriea" is properly and expressly and irrefutably given to the Son as well as to the Father? The HONEST answer is No. Not necessarily what I personally want the Bible to say or not say, but what it actually really honestly genuinely does say and say not. In fact, it would suit me just fine if the Bible taught clearly that Jesus was literaly Almighty God in the same Absolute way that God the Father Jehovah is. It would save me headaches and nonsense. And I admit that that notion, in a way, IS more romantic and emotionally appealing. In other words, that it was not just God's Firstborn that came down to die for us, but actually God Almighty Himself that came down to die for us and save fallen man. Yes, that idea has an emotional appeal that I would not mind for myself. But I have to be intellectualy honest and unbiased and accurate and true to things. The Council of Nicea was a godless mess, presided and decided by a corrupt pagan emperor, and heretics and neo-Platonists, and Scripture-distorters. I don't agree with everything that Arius said or taught either. I'm considered more a SEMI-Arian (if you want to use those terms) than an Arian. But whatever. If the Scriptures taught the Athanasian Creed or the Nicene Creed (or at least very close to it) then I'd whole-heartedly follow and believe it. But sadly, the inspired Bible does NOT so clearly state those man-made ideas and credal concepts. It simply doesn't. The Supremacy of God the Father is always upheld and secured in the Bible. The Bible really teaches the absolute sovereignty and supreme Godship of the Heavenly Father alone, EVEN OVER HIS SON !!! (John 14:28; 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; 11:3; Revelation 3:12-14, etc.) You don't really know me or what I have investigated or researched. I LOOKED INTO ALL ANGLES, ALL SIDES, AND ALL VIEWPOINTS, before deciding. I had given an open mind and a careful and fair consideration to the co-equal trinitarian arguments and apologists and expositers. For real I did. (I have soooo many books and tapes that argue for the trinity and the co-equal deity of Christ. So much material. The Athanasians and their arguments and beliefs and expositions.) And I looked at the Oneness Modalist Sabellian side of the argument, as well the Arian view and Semi-Arian view, and Eusebian view, Unitarian, JW, Russell, etc.) I heard all sides of this tale. This issue that the Devil has so muddied and distorted, it's like not funny. The hard fact, again, is that "latriea" is given to the God (the Father) in the Bible, onlyyyy. And to say so dogmatically and moronically and without real good foundation that in Revelation 22:3 it just HAS to be referring to the Lord Jesus, instead of only to God His Father, is not only annoying, but twisted and sick, when you take into real consideration THAT EVERYWHERE ELSE IN THE HOLY BIBLE, the exclusive "latriea" is unambiguously and only given to the Almighty Father. I already went to the three solid reasons why Revelation 22:3 could NOT be referring to the Son (or the Father and Son) but rather to the Father only. again, just to reiterate quickly. (A) the Father was mentioned right there in the very same sentence, and (B) a singular pronoun was used instead of plural pronoun "them", like could have been as in "and THEIR wrath has come" Rev 6:17 NIV, ESV, NASB , NWT, and (C) EVERY OTHER OCCURENCE IN THE HOLY BIBLE (ESPECIALLY THE "New Testament") WHERE THE GREEK EXCLUSIVE WORD "LATRIEA" OCCURS, IT IS ONLY IN REFERENCE TO GOD THE FATHER, UNAMBIGUOUSLY AND CLEARLY AND IRREFUTABLY !!!!!!!!!!! I hope that YOU really get to know who the real Jesus of Scripture truly is. GOD'S TRUE SON, BEGOTTEN AND PRODUCED DIRECTLY BY GOD THE FATHER, BEFORE AGES, AND WHO BECAME A PERFECT SINLESS AND HOLY MAN, AS THE MESSIAH OF ISRAEL, AND HOLY PRINCE, NO MORE AND NO LESS, AND TO BE OUR PASSOVER LAMB AND RANSOM SACRIFICE FOR CONDEMNED SINNERS, AND TO SANCTIFY HIS HEAVENLY FATHER'S DIVINE NAME, AND TO PREACH THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM AND OF GRACE. God's True Firstborn Son. Not some "figurative" Son, or some mystical trinitarian convoluted confusing "son", but a true begotten and brought forth Son, and who made the heavens and the earth, at the bidding and in the service of God, with the materials supplied by God the Father, and at His direction and supreme charge. If anything I just wrote is not really Scriptural, then don't just assert that it's not altogether Scriptural, buddy, BUT PROVE IT CHAPTER AND VERSE. Otherwise, anything you say rings sooooo hollow. I could show you Verse after Verse, unadulterated, that supports everything I just wrote. (just like you have many people, like Charles Stanely the wacko, pushing the non-Scriptural demon-inspired idea of unconditional "eternal security" or "once saved always saved" no matter what a person does or doesn't do, and regardless of James 2 and A HOST of different Verses in the Gospels and Pauline Epistles and Revelation that "eternal security" is conditioned on faithfulness and obedience to known Truths --Romans, 1 Corinthians, Mathew, etc--because it's "feel good" religion and emotionally appealing, and it's what a person WANTS to believe, rather than what the REAL Biblical data support and teach and indicate. The willfully stubborn will simply not want to see all the Verses and comparisons and cross-references and true unbiased meanings and clear points of Verses of Scripture. The Bible was written in such a way so as to test men's hearts. God knew that there would be this crap. To separate the men from the boys. Who had the guts to stick up for REAL UNADULTERATED UNPOPULAR BIBLE TRUTHS AND FACTS, regardless of cockeyed "church councils" or partially true partially false and dopey "church creeds and confessions" or "historic positions" and emotional "traditions" of men and man-made corrupted churches, and popular beliefs, AND regardless of what men around them would think or say about them. The pure Truth is not popular in a demon-controlled world. And Satan is crafty. And subtle. One big thing he's pulled off is having people think that calling Christ Almighty God in the same sense as the Father, and confusing co-equal co-eternal non-sensical "Trinity" is bringing praise and honor to Christ, and on the surface it seems so. Mixing truth with lies and distortions and extremism and exaggerations. And the Devil has been laughing his ass off for centuries now. Ever since around the time demonized Constantine and the arch-heretic Athanasius presided over that godless mess, called the Council of Nicea, in 325 C.E. A Roman Catholic council. If you're intellectually and historically honest, the trinity doctrine is actually a Roman Catholic doctrine and heresy. Which ostensibly brings honor to Christ, but actualy DIShonors both Him and the Father, since it contradicts and confuses what both of Them believe and teach, and denies the true honest and factual reality about Them. The Father is truly greater than the Son, as Christ Himself confessed, WITHOUT qualifications about "manhood only." Jesus called the Father "My God." The Father calls NO BODY "My God." The Father is SUPREME, buddy. (John 14:28; John 17; John 20:17) The Trinity doctrine contradicts our Lord's words. Tsk Tsk Tsk. Again, IF the Holy Bible really clearly unambiguously Athanasianism and real credal Trinitarianism--that Almighty God was actually three co-equal co-eternal and con-substantial (a Sabellian term by the way) Persons con-joined in One Supreme Being--and that Jesus Christ was actually literally truly equal with His Father in every single thing, and co-eternal with Him, THEN I WOULD BELIEVE AND PREACH IT. But I don't find such clear undeniable unambiguous things in there. And don't give me this gas about "oh you can't believe it unless you have the Holy Spirit and faith" blah blah blah. Spare me that retarded line. It's weak and silly. Anyway, that's basically it. Everything I've said has NOT been refuted one iota, either logically or Biblically. So I said (actually what God's Word says) still stands. May God help you and open your eyes and heart and save you from your sins and issues, and hopefully you'll get right with Him. I don't wish anything bad on anybody. May the Lord keep you, and good day. (if you wanna respond, please do so.) G.R.
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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the fact of the matter is that Jehovah's witnesses in this modern complex age are not perfect. (repetition for emphasis and importance was followed by Peter "by way of reminder", (2 Peter 1:13), under the Holy Spirit; so if that's the case, the first century Christians were "cultic" too. but we know that "orthodoxy" at the time, and the pagan demented unreasonable world in general viewd the early true Christians of the First Century A.D. as "heretical" and "cultic" also. so the so-called "expert" view that "reprinting" or repetition is a cultic tactic is like whatever. repetition of stressing and driving points home to brains that are prone to forget--human nature--is not only sensible, but wholly Biblical. those "experts" and critics should try reading the Bible (any translation) a bit more carefully. and seeing it honestly. instead of interpreting things by pre-conceptions, filters, biases, and hardened emotionalism.) but now to the ultimate point about the Watchtower and the Lord's witnesses in these Last Days. THEY AINT PERFECT BY ANY STRETCH !!!! duhh. that's understood. And some in authority HAVE gone overboard with control in certain areas. that can be admitted. but so what? the first century Christians, as is easily forgotten by many people many times, had major problems, like with church favoritism and politics and divisions and strife and sometimes an over-control, and also legalism issues (such as the circumcision issue and other things). Read both letters to the Corinthians and the letter of James and Galatians, and the first few chapters of Revelation to see what I'm talking about. But that did not make them the Truth or the True Christian Church in the overall sense. despite the silly human nature that popped up so often. (children of Adam are THAT messed up and retarded, even with the Holy Spirit on them) so then, angry and emotionally distraught people who leave Jehovah's witnesses, over hurt feelings, and a desire to be so independent, or whatever other apostate rebellious-type reasons, are just like Korah, who the Holy Spirit warned against being like Jude 11. (it would be funny and courageous of you to post my emails are your demonic heretical apostate site. just for some REAL balance.) throwing out the baby with the bathwater is never a wise move. the fact of the matter is that true Christian Biblical sanctification and separation are found today only among Jehovah's witnesses. of course, the Watchtower is not infallible in the matter of faith, doctrine and morals, as the Pope of Rome claims to be. but rather it bases its words and contents on the Holy Bible (whatever version) and the original manuscripts and original language words, of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. as well as on current world events and physical facts. why do they abstain from smoking and pagan holidays and worldly corrupt politics? whereas Christendom (all corrupt branches) regularly engage in all that un-Scriptural anti-Biblical garbage? with nothing done to them? no church discipline. it's a joke. those are the real issues that need to be addressed. not wheather some elder in a local JW congregation got too uptight about side-burns or whatever. And also issues on Revelation of Temple this that or the other. yeah, the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses are by no means perfect. no kidding. but would you say that the cockeyed mentally diseased worldly pagan "Southern Baptist Convention" is really Biblical and truly truly better? Or the United Pentecostals?? The silly Methodists or the Lutheran Synod? I won't even get into the Hyper-Calvinist Presbyterians (hi R.C. Sproul) and their cockeyed madness and hypocrisy and weirdness. and that they truly follow "be ye separate"? Jeremiah 10 and 2 Corinthians 6:17. Verses of Scripture are there for reasons. not to be so conveniently and arrogantly dismissed as of no consequence. the general principles are there. and are important to consider. and also, there are no "abusive step parents" among Methodists? or Pentecostals? Or Mormons? or Presbyterians? is that a joke? but do they ever eventually get disfellowshipped??? listen, you silly fools. please listen carefully. ABUSIVE ANYTHING ULTIMATELY WILL GET YOU RIGHTLY KICKED OUT OF THE JW CHURCH, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT SHOULD BE. but that does NOT generally happen among Roman Catholics or Greek Orthodox or EpiscoPAGANs. JWs leadership judge on the inside. and take appropriate and Biblical measures. not perfect every minute. but the disfellowshipping policy, based on Scripture, tends to put a real curb on nonsense that you find every minute in apostate Christendom (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Western Protestant). how many "pedophiles" or "wife beaters" get actually disfellowshipped from your average Methodist church?? see the point!!? the basic point is that wherever you find Adamites, sinners and imperfect people, sons and daughters of Adam, EVEN IN GOD'S TRUE CONGREGATION AND ARRANGMENT, there are BOUND to be jerks and wrong-doers and annoying people. like in the First Century too. (CAREFULLY READ THE BOOK OF JAMES, AS AN EXAMPLE.) do I agree with every single thing that the Watcthower has said or taught or done over the years. of course not. but that does not mean that I overlook that they overall have Biblical purity and the Truth. they have the most logical explanation of the Bible out of every other group, church, organization, or teacher, that I have studied and examined. (and believe me. I have looked at MANY, and have carefully studied scores of different groups and philosophies and doctrines, historically, linguistically, and Biblically) and tried to look at all of them open-mindedly and fairly. John Frye and Jon Mitchell, I'm sure, may have some legitimate grievances here and there, (although I'm sure too that they are exaggerated and distorted in many ways, and therefore tickling to your ears, your being willing to biasly believe anything negative or criticizing of the Watchtower), but it seems that they miss the overall point. and fallen into the demonic trap of Korah. I'm NOT a Watcthower zombie. trust me on that. but I look carefully at both sides of the tale. people generally believe what they WANT to believe, not necessarily what the true hard cold rude facts actually support all the time. and of course that goes both ways. not every single syllable in Watctower publications is absolutely correct every single second. I'll grant that. and not every single elder of Jehovah's witnesses is always 100% accurate, reasonable, honest, fair, or even Biblical in practice or doctrine. and there have been some kooky unfair annoying things in the congregations. NO KIDDING. but beyond that, I'll grant very little more. none of that negates them having the Truth, in the Last Days of this wicked and corrupt world. And also, I put out a NewsLetter (that you'll probably found out more about in the future) that examines news, science, technology, sex, biology, theology, history, etc. various subjects of life. and it ultimately glorifies the Most High. and also defends His true witnesses and servants in these "Last Days". anyway, the point is that through a careful and honest unbiased examination of history, logic, nature, scienc, and Holy Scripture, the Watchtower, overall, can be seen to be sound, true, accurate, pure, and Biblical. overall. Pure Biblical Separated and Sactified True Christianity is the Truth. and in these "Last Days", as the unbiased and hard evidence and the physical facts show, is found really only among the despised and persecuted group known as Jehovah's witnesses--the Lord's true witnesses--and their "faithful slave" class. (Matthew 24:45) Dispensing spiritual "meat in due season". Not popular in a corrupt and demon-controlled world. The Bible is exalted by them as God's True Inspired Word, and the True Infallible Guide on sound living. not just in word BUT IN ACTUAL PRACTICE !!!! no flesh defiler (like chronic cigarrette smokers) or practicing homosexuals or fornicators or chronic drunks or embezzelers or cursers allowed. or people engaged in pagan and corrupt practices and customs and worldly corrupt schemes and demonic politics. clean people, overall. overall. I hope you get that point. The fact is that that real evidence shows, seen from Holy Scripture and divine reason and logic that, in the "End Times", there can be only on true Organ, Channel, and Congregation and Arrangement used by God. Just as God used one typical Ark and "Church of Noah" arrangement, separated from the rest of the corrupt world, who many of them no doubt had some kind of "faith" in the God of Enoch at the time. but perished anyway. (by the way, Noah and his church at the time, no matter how small, was proven to be the only true religion at that time history, and were viewed obviously by the world as presumptous and "exclusivist" also.) only ONE typical Congregation of Israel, that was organized and set up, under leadership THAT WAS BINDING on the rest of the people. and ONE true Christian Church under Central oversight in the 1st Century A.D. See Genesis 6:14-18; Exodus 29:10,11; Leviticus 25:55; Deuteronomy 5:1; Acts 15:6-31. I doubt that my emails will actually be posted anywhere on your destructive maniacal website. you probably fear that it would be too much of a counter-act and a true balance to all the unreasonable distortions and exaggerated and unfair crap that's on there right now. (as I said, I'm sure that there are some elements of truth on your site. but mostly distortions and rebellious whining overall) anyway, I never claimed to be perfect myself. I just know that the first century Christians were not either. but were used by the Lord anyway, and had the correct doctrine overall. and were also "hated of all nations" and looked down upon as a "heresy" and "cult" or whatever by the corrupt pagan and pseudo-religious world around them. (and there IS Biblical "judging" going on with disfellowshippings.) Mark 13:13; Matthew 24:9; Acts 24:5, 14; 28:22; 2 Kings 23:13; 2 Peter 1:4; 2 Peter 2:19; Ephesians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 11:32 bye. IP: 7QDX4H2pJFrecEVB -
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Is repititive imprinting of ideas a primary cult tactic?
by hubert inin a post by syn that lady lee has brought up again, there is this statement by syn.
i could underline my watchtower in 10 minutes, tops, and be sure that all the answers were right.
many esteemed researchers have shown that repetitive imprinting of ideas is a primary cult tactic, and i tend to agree with them.
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sweetscholar
the fact of the matter is that Jehovah's witnesses in this modern complex age are not perfect. (repetition for emphasis and importance was followed by Peter "by way of reminder", (2 Peter 1:13), under the Holy Spirit; so if that's the case, the first century Christians were "cultic" too. but we know that "orthodoxy" at the time, and the pagan demented unreasonable world in general viewd the early true Christians of the First Century A.D. as "heretical" and "cultic" also. so the so-called "expert" view that "reprinting" or repetition is a cultic tactic is like whatever. repetition of stressing and driving points home to brains that are prone to forget--human nature--is not only sensible, but wholly Biblical. those "experts" and critics should try reading the Bible (any translation) a bit more carefully. and seeing it honestly. instead of interpreting things by pre-conceptions, filters, biases, and hardened emotionalism.) but now to the ultimate point about the Watchtower and the Lord's witnesses in these Last Days. THEY AINT PERFECT BY ANY STRETCH !!!! duhh. that's understood. And some in authority HAVE gone overboard with control in certain areas. that can be admitted. but so what? the first century Christians, as is easily forgotten by many people many times, had major problems, like with church favoritism and politics and divisions and strife and sometimes an over-control, and also legalism issues (such as the circumcision issue and other things). Read both letters to the Corinthians and the letter of James and Galatians, and the first few chapters of Revelation to see what I'm talking about. But that did not make them the Truth or the True Christian Church in the overall sense. despite the silly human nature that popped up so often. (children of Adam are THAT messed up and retarded, even with the Holy Spirit on them) so then, angry and emotionally distraught people who leave Jehovah's witnesses, over hurt feelings, and a desire to be so independent, or whatever other apostate rebellious-type reasons, are just like Korah, who the Holy Spirit warned against being like Jude 11. (it would be funny and courageous of you to post my emails are your demonic heretical apostate site. just for some REAL balance.) throwing out the baby with the bathwater is never a wise move. the fact of the matter is that true Christian Biblical sanctification and separation are found today only among Jehovah's witnesses. of course, the Watchtower is not infallible in the matter of faith, doctrine and morals, as the Pope of Rome claims to be. but rather it bases its words and contents on the Holy Bible (whatever version) and the original manuscripts and original language words, of Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic. as well as on current world events and physical facts. why do they abstain from smoking and pagan holidays and worldly corrupt politics? whereas Christendom (all corrupt branches) regularly engage in all that un-Scriptural anti-Biblical garbage? with nothing done to them? no church discipline. it's a joke. those are the real issues that need to be addressed. not wheather some elder in a local JW congregation got too uptight about side-burns or whatever. And also issues on Revelation of Temple this that or the other. yeah, the governing body of Jehovah's witnesses are by no means perfect. no kidding. but would you say that the cockeyed mentally diseased worldly pagan "Southern Baptist Convention" is really Biblical and truly truly better? and that they truly follow "be ye separate"? Jeremiah 10 and 2 Corinthians 6:17. Verses of Scripture are there for reasons. not to be so conveniently and arrogantly dismissed as of no consequence. the general principles are there. and are important to consider. and also, there are no "abusive step parents" among Methodists? or Pentecostals? Or Mormons? or Presbyterians? is that a joke? but do they ever eventually get disfellowshipped??? listen, you silly fools. please listen carefully. ABUSIVE ANYTHING ULTIMATELY WILL GET YOU RIGHTLY KICKED OUT OF THE JW CHURCH, LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS IT SHOULD BE. but that does NOT generally happen among Roman Catholics or Greek Orthodox or EpiscoPAGANs. JWs leadership judge on the inside. and take appropriate and Biblical measures. not perfect every minute. but the disfellowshipping policy, based on Scripture, tends to put a real curb on nonsense that you find every minute in apostate Christendom (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Western Protestant). how many "pedophiles" or "wife beaters" get actually disfellowshipped from your average Methodist church?? see the point!!? the basic point is that wherever you find Adamites, sinners and imperfect people, sons and daughters of Adam, EVEN IN GOD'S TRUE CONGREGATION AND ARRANGMENT, there are BOUND to be jerks and wrong-doers and annoying people. like in the First Century too. (CAREFULLY READ THE BOOK OF JAMES, AS AN EXAMPLE.) do I agree with every single thing that the Watcthower has said or taught or done over the years. of course not. but that does not mean that I overlook that they overall have Biblical purity and the Truth. they have the most logical explanation of the Bible out of every other group, church, organization, or teacher, that I have studied and examined. (and believe me. I have looked at MANY, and have carefully studied scores of different groups and philosophies and doctrines, historically, linguistically, and Biblically) and tried to look at all of them open-mindedly and fairly. John Frye and Jon Mitchell, I'm sure, may have some legitimate grievances here and there, (although I'm sure too that they are exaggerated and distorted in many ways, and therefore tickling to your ears, your being willing to biasly believe anything negative or criticizing of the Watchtower), but it seems that they miss the overall point. and fallen into the demonic trap of Korah. I'm NOT a Watcthower zombie. trust me on that. but I look carefully at both sides of the tale. people generally believe what they WANT to believe, not necessarily what the true hard cold rude facts actually support all the time. and of course that goes both ways. not every single syllable in Watctower publications is absolutely correct every single second. I'll grant that. and not every single elder of Jehovah's witnesses is always 100% accurate, reasonable, honest, fair, or even Biblical in practice or doctrine. and there have been some kooky unfair annoying things in the congregations. NO KIDDING. but beyond that, I'll grant very little more. none of that negates them having the Truth, in the Last Days of this wicked and corrupt world. And also, I put out a NewsLetter (that you'll probably found out more about in the future) that examines news, science, technology, sex, biology, theology, history, etc. various subjects of life. and it ultimately glorifies the Most High. and also defends His true witnesses and servants in these "Last Days". anyway, the point is that through a careful and honest unbiased examination of history, logic, nature, scienc, and Holy Scripture, the Watchtower, overall, can be seen to be sound, true, accurate, pure, and Biblical. overall. Pure Biblical Separated and Sactified True Christianity is the Truth. and in these "Last Days", as the unbiased and hard evidence and the physical facts show, is found really only among the despised and persecuted group known as Jehovah's witnesses--the Lord's true witnesses--and their "faithful slave" class. (Matthew 24:45) Dispensing spiritual "meat in due season". Not popular in a corrupt and demon-controlled world. The Bible is exalted by them as God's True Inspired Word, and the True Infallible Guide on sound living. not just in word BUT IN ACTUAL PRACTICE !!!! no flesh defiler (like chronic cigarrette smokers) or practicing homosexuals or fornicators or chronic drunks or embezzelers or cursers allowed. or people engaged in pagan and corrupt practices and customs and worldly corrupt schemes and demonic politics. clean people, overall. overall. I hope you get that point. The fact is that that real evidence shows, seen from Holy Scripture and divine reason and logic that, in the "End Times", there can be only on true Organ, Channel, and Congregation and Arrangement used by God. Just as God used one typical Ark and "Church of Noah" arrangement, separated from the rest of the corrupt world, who many of them no doubt had some kind of "faith" in the God of Enoch at the time. but perished anyway. only ONE typical Congregation of Israel, that was organized and set up, under leadership THAT WAS BINDING on the rest of the people. and ONE true Christian Church under Central oversight in the 1st Century A.D. See Genesis 6:14-18; Exodus 29:10,11; Leviticus 25:55; Deuteronomy 5:1; Acts 15:6-31. I doubt that my emails will actually be posted anywhere on your destructive maniacal website. you probably fear that it would be too much of a counter-act and a true balance to all the unreasonable distortions and exaggerated and unfair crap that's on there right now. (as I said, I'm sure that there are some elements of truth on your site. but mostly distortions and rebellious whining overall) anyway, I never claimed to be perfect myself. I just know that the first century Christians were not either. but were used by the Lord anyway, and had the correct doctrine overall. and were also "hated of all nations" and looked down upon as a "heresy" and "cult" or whatever by the corrupt pagan and pseudo-religious world around them. (and there IS Biblical "judging" going on with disfellowshippings.) Mark 13:13; Matthew 24:9; Acts 24:5, 14; 28:22; 2 Kings 23:13; 2 Peter 1:4; 2 Peter 2:19; Ephesians 4:18; 1 Corinthians 11:32 bye.