the view of the WT on this matter was even more dogmatic in the past. but in 1979 they toned down their uptight view. one time they called oral sex between husband and wife "fornication" which of course it is not. and they clarified and corrected that. because fornication is "porniea" in Greek and refers to any sexual misconduct OUTSIDE marriage. so "oral sex play and stimulation" in marriage would not apply. of course you have uptight dogmatic farts in Bethel Headquarters and imposing stuff-shirt Elders. but in reality, they don't have it as a disfellowshipping offense. but as something discouraged, blah blah. they don't generally discuss that in the literature, you'll notice. so calling them up as you say you did, you got some fart on the phone giving his uptight crap on the subject. GRAIN OF SALT. that doesn't really count. the official literature says no disfellowshipping. cuz there should not be. but I know that officially they don't have an encouraging view of oral sex in marriage. I though encourage it big time. cuz it's fun, healthy, and not a sin. in fact, Song of Solomon had a very oral fixation. and it was ENcouraged. any kind of body play and mouth play and stimulation is ok in marriage. it's like whatever. can't get too uptight about things too much. but masturbation is unnatural and debilitating. yeah yeah, you'll claim, some of you, that "it's natural to me". but the only reason any guy ever does that is because he does not have the woman there in front of him to do it for him, which is what instinctively he REALLY wants and NEEDS. (sex is a biological NEED, not just a desire. studies show that sex at least once or twice a week improves health, well-being, mental alertness, and have fewer colds and flues, and fewer depression. therapeutic and calming. good for the nerves, muscles, and body chemistry. whereas masturbation reaps the opposite for some reason. we were meant to be held and touched BY SOMEONE ELSE of the opposite sex, not touched by ourselves.)
masturbation debilitates and weakens overall. I know. from personal experience in the past, and from experiences I've seen of others. plus what I've read on the subject. te bio-chemical reaction in our bodies, with masturbation. we were not really meant to stimulate ourselves sexually, but to be stimulated by SOMEONE ELSE, of the opposite sex. that's the ideal natural healthy thing and way to go. but I know that it's not always easy, and it's not a perfect world or perfect life we live in right now.
at least the WT does not hold the same uptight view that they used to have and that Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson still have. and on this I totally disagree with the WT. policing marriage bedrooms is over-stepping. Leviticus does not mention it although other weird things are mentioned. that should tell us something. God doesn't care about oral sex in marriage. there are more important things than that. I said from the get go, if you had red everything I wrote from the beginning that I agree with 99.99% of the positions of the WT, and 99.99% doesn't mean 100. they aint infallible, but they iz darn close, as far as doctrine. cuz the Bible is infallible, and they base their positions on the Bible. yes, they've gone overboard on things here and there. human nature. and they even admitted that. being "over-righteous much" and "over-scrupulous much" (Ecclesiastes 7:16). but I did not bring up "oral sex". that other guy did. I mentioned "masturbation" as an example. so we're digressing. the WT has not spent 5 pages on oral sex between husband and wife in thousands and thousands and thousands of pages over the decades. it's not that big a deal to them, in that sense, and it's something that choose unnecessary to spend vast amounts of time with. cuz there are bigger issues. The Bible does not condemn but CONDONES oral sex (Song of Solomon and Proverbs 5).
Leviticus doesn't mention a word on it, though all other kinds of sex issues and rules were mentioned, that you can imagine.
the point is that with birthday celebrations there IS some internal Biblical evidence and principles involved. more than "eye paint". so I wish you'd come off the "eye paint" argument already. that got old and tired about 5 postings ago. cuz I already addressed that thoroughly enough. heavy use of makeup is not encouraged either by the WT. although somehow you missed that. Jezebel did her hair up too. so what? it was a narrative of what happened. birthday celebrations, though in both cases was narrative, also involves paganism now and then. self-worship. vanity, and hot air customs, that Christ nor His Holy Disciples ever engaged in. and "pants" or "ski trips" or "bowling" are not arguments even worth addressing. cuz that's a lousy comparison. the eye paint is a better comparison, but not the greatest either. cuz again, the WT does condemn whorish heavy make-up and caking on your face excessively too. moderation with that. tootles. (also, enough about the oral sex. it's a dead subject, and off the subject of this thread. I already addressed it. I was not the one who even brought up oral sex. it was that other guy. I only mentioned masturbation in passing. but I stated the facts on oral sex already. the WT at one time was way too dogmatic and stuffy about it, then they got better, and toned down their uptight view. but if they still discourage it, and are still somewhat uptight about it, they don't make big headlines in articles about it, cuz it's like whatever. The WT overall, after all is said and done, despite their imperfections and FALLIBILITY, and occasional over-scrupulosity, still have the purest and most logical explanation of the Holy Bible out of any other church, religion, group, denomination, writer, or teacher I've ever encountered. and believe me. I've studied and examined them all. tootles.)