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I think a lot of older (maybe younger ones) JW's are going to attempt/commit suicide....(READ)

by Joliette in

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i've been in lurkmode lately, but with the news that i heard about don cornelius dying, it had me thinking...as this world goes on, and people are coping with this world...i think a lot jw's are going to realize that the end of the world isnt coming...there gonna become more despert, the realities of having to work, pay off debts, etc.

a lot of jw's are going to realize that no magical sky daddy is come and 'take away there problems' and i think the more that they start to realize this, they get older, and there gonna start hating the reality that they have to face.

i had a good friend who's father-in- law (who was a ministrial servant) who had bipolar disorder, killed himself in his car back in 2007. it was sad.

bigmouth

Oops, you're right BluesBrother. Peter was Cyrils' brother.

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I think a lot of older (maybe younger ones) JW's are going to attempt/commit suicide....(READ)

by Joliette in

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i've been in lurkmode lately, but with the news that i heard about don cornelius dying, it had me thinking...as this world goes on, and people are coping with this world...i think a lot jw's are going to realize that the end of the world isnt coming...there gonna become more despert, the realities of having to work, pay off debts, etc.

a lot of jw's are going to realize that no magical sky daddy is come and 'take away there problems' and i think the more that they start to realize this, they get older, and there gonna start hating the reality that they have to face.

i had a good friend who's father-in- law (who was a ministrial servant) who had bipolar disorder, killed himself in his car back in 2007. it was sad.

bigmouth

A well known football player - whose name eludes me - from the United Kingdom quit the game in the later 1960s convinced the end was coming by the mid-1970s. Whate ever became of them?

Steve, you're probably thinking of Archie Gemmells' brother, Paul. There was an Awake article about him. Dunno what happened to him. Probably as bitter and disappointed as me !!

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What's your opinion?

by noontide in

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whats your opinion of your human resources department?

nowadays most companies, large or small, have an hr department.

bigmouth

The two Human Resource depts. I've had dealings with, one, my own and one, my wifes' have been pretty good. Well done them!

Formerly known as 'Personnel', I think Human Resources sounds like a bit of a 'spare parts' supplier.

I am very impressed with your attitude toward your people, Noontide. Never drop your standards.

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

bigmouth

just re-read my post. gutsful of her endometriosis.

That wasn't intended to be black humour. I know how distressing it is.

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Suicide - How many do you know within the JWs

by Lady Lee in

thw wts likes to play games with their statistics.

one interesting but truly tragic is the number of jwhovah's witnesses who commit suicie.. now i suspect that if a person commits suicide shortly before or after they are disfellowshipped then the elders would say that person wasn't a witness or that they had done something so terrible that they were too guilty to admit it and by their action of committing suicide they pretty much declared they were no longer a jw.. yup fancy talk to make sure any crap didn't fall on them.. so my question.. do you know of cases like this?

if so then can you answer a few more questions.. had this person been dfed or in real danger of being dfed or whatever the equivalent is if they were never baptized?.

bigmouth

I know, personally, of three suicides in NZ. I've posted elsewhere about them; Ben- only son of single sister hanged himself aged about 15. Dion- Elders son gassed himself in his car at cemetery. Sis. _ - Elders mother overdosed on alcohol and sleeping pills. The Elder told me, privately, that the ambulance officers suggested suicide. The wider BOE didn't know and the funeral was conducted at the KH.

All three were baptised or in good standing.

Two or three have joined me in psych groups that were JW's. All had Elders as fathers, coincidentally. They all spoke of suicidal feelings, except for one who had had a gutsful of her endometriosis. (Actually, her Dad is a good guy)

Reasons for my (failed!) suicide attempts revolved around a sense of worthlessness and hopelessness because of never doing enough to keep the jealous God happy. I have never been disfellowshipped.

BTW, after ten years in and out of mental hospitals, I only had one brother try to make contact with me. Good on him, but, only one!?

Good luck for your talk Lady Lee.

Pete

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Freddie Mercury

by stillin in

it's ridiculous that people compare him to god.

i mean, he is good, but he's no freddie mercury..

bigmouth

Freddie Mercury is lying on his death bed in hospital. A mate comes in to visit. "Christ Almighty Freddy !" he says, "who did this to you ?"

"How the hell should I know" says Freddy, "I haven't got eyes in the back of my head !"

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Just tired of the label "Apostate".

by rjl15225 in

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bare with me on this post.

i just need to get it off my chest!.

i find it interesting that in so many threads here in this forum and in others, to find the reference to apostates.

bigmouth

Welcome to the forum rjl.

You made the following minor comment; " Most of those who challenge the organization have not left their faith in Christ, Christianity, or the sovereign God almighty."

Actually, while this might be initially true, if memory serves me correctly, the majority that post on JWD are more likely to be atheist, agnostic or ambivalent toward God.

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GB is out of touch with reality! Why? (Ray Franz observation)

by 00DAD in

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in his book, in search of christian freedom, ray franz make the point about his uncle fred that he lived a detached, cloistered, isolated existence.

he was separated and far-removed from the day-to-day issues of ordinary people.

like him, i suspect that many or even most of the wt leaders fall into that category.

bigmouth

Ha! I was always bugged by the GB using a middle initial when their names were printed e.g. Fred W. Franz, Albert D. Schroeder, Ulysses V. Glass.

Why? Does the middle initial differentiate you from thousands of other namesakes? Will everyone be confused about who you are ?

Unless your name is John Smith or David Jones then use of your middle initial is pompous and pretentious.

(This may or may not apply to Americans)

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Why I hate religion, but I love Jesus

by lostandconfused in

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Is this the future of the new televangelists ? Christianity Hip Hop (lite).

Jesus and religion are inseperable. The catch-phrase "I love Jesus but hate religion" has been around for decades and is often used by the young trenders but, with a little probing, you find that they also have a list of rules and regulations that constitute a different brand of religion.

But he's a nice looking guy and his shuffling rap was endearing.

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Members of New Zealand Families Who've Left the Org...

by bigmouth in

in the ten years or so since we (bigmouth and one of twelve) left the wts i've sometimes wondered about our family members and their children who might have also left and felt isolated.. i'm thinking of some big families and extended families particularly the preece's, collards, keoghan's, gibbes and tocher's.. if you know any of these families why not post here and say hello.

you don't need to give your name and if you want to know who we are, just send a personal message and i'll tell you.. we have no need to hide from anyone now and it might just be nice to hear each others experiences and answer some questions..

bigmouth

The generation before us, say, aged 70+ now, seemed to always be able to recount who studied with whom, where they were contacted and who went to Bethel etc. I think they took more interest in people at that time and there weren't so many publishers in our small country.