TR-----I'm very disappointed in you because you go
in directly opposite directions in your posts please
stay consistant ol' man.Lets see now "You are PROUD
of the U.S. being able to kick some ass" Tell me please
is this statement about foriegn or domestic policy.
If it's foreign like I think you talking about. Jefferson
and Cohorts did not allow for us to "KICK SOME
OVERSEAS BUTT". As late as the 1940's America
was a isolationist country like the forfathers wanted
us to be so no "kicking butt on your conservative watch"
Your proud that we go running when some country
is getting it's ass kicked and screams for help.
Thats a terrible statement way to many holes.
First tell me what countries screams for the hollier
than thou U. S. to help them. Most if not all scream
for us to stay the hell out of there business.Also our
conservitive constitution does not allow for our boys
to fight in such wars our boys our not suppose to
die over somebody else's land. Your a Jefferson fan
look it up.Also sending our boys cost lots and lots
and lots of money. But you are also proud that " we send BILLIONS of dollars to third world countries"
Tell me TR how ya gonna cut taxes that way. Sounds
like your pretty damn liberal to me. Are you saying
spending TRILLIONS of dollars on things outside
the country and not allowed for in the constitution
thats CONSERVATIVE. But spending BILLIONS on
U.S. citizens is liberal. If you are you must have went
to school with JR too because you speak with fork
tongue. Jefferson just laughs and laughs and laughs.
Hey conservatives and taxes "read my lips now NO
new taxes" pops forgot to add until I'm elected. Under
Reagan we had our biggest tax increase's in histroy .
TR come on make some sense out of what your posting.
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America Bashing
by TR inwith all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.
you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.
the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.
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by TR inwith all of the america bashing going on of late, i thought i'd mention the fact that america stands for freedom, as flawed as our system may be.
you're even free to be critical of the government and it's leaders.
the many men and women who have died defending this country did so to preserve the rights even of people who hate the u.s. there are many different cultures here, so there are many different attempts at creating laws for the land.
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TR----good topic--but I'm on the side of the table Seeker
and Fodesa and Bigboi are. So one Question for you
TR being you quote the man. Tell me please if the
apostle to the U.S (JEFFERSON HIMSELF) was a live
today don't you think he would be under constant
survielance by ALL government agencies. I know you know
because you quote him so often that he said" there should
be a revolution EVERY 25 years or the citizens are not
doing there job". I really don't think your conservitives
would like him too much in fact he probably would be
serving a lifetime sentence in a federal prison for
treason. Unless of course he got in between some
lone assasin's three different angle shots, or taken
out in the lobby at a hotel when it looked like a legal
peacful shift in government would take place.
The Apostle Jefferson roles over in his grave every
25 years looks out and laughs at us all.And TR "thats
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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Justathought--Have we finally HIT common ground.
To back up a second where's the reply to my question
about Sammy and Gotti. You called it Democracy not I.
You said AL won the popular vote. But being in a
Republic that didn't matter.Because WE are still
letting ourselves be ruled by the wealthy(WHITE) land owners who put the "Electorial college" in over 200 years ago.In fear of the people electing an idiot to the White house.
Now being the electorial college has done what it was
set up to prevent we should abolish it. But WE can't
only the wealthy and powerful ol' WHITE boys in
Washington can. Now during the time of NO president
elect there was much hype in the MEDIA about getting
rid of the college. But since the loser won and has no
chance of winning again if the electorial college is abolished
NOTHING will CHANGE. And there in lies my claim
that no adult U.S. tax paying citizen is INNOCENT.Is there anybody out there who would have nominated
Ashcroft for A.G. let alone voted for his confirmation.
Yes democracy at it's finest, these are not rants my friend.
Ashcroft is a fact just ask around you if he is lucky he
would get 25% of the vote. Thomas is a fact do the same.
Lord let us hope no justice's will retire while this spoiled
rotten brat is in the White house.BTW---Lets bring back Mario Cuomo and lets abolish the
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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Teejay---FYI--Truman ordered the bombing of the cities.
Good ol' IKE--sent green horn troops to slaughter on
the beaches at Normandy.......Thats why he sent green
horn troops(never been in battle before) because he
knew they were all going to die. Oh I also believe that
if CNN was alive and covering the invasion that my
friend would have been the last week America was in
Europru's war.I know exactly what McVeigh did my points are to try to
make you see the injustice in our so called justice system.Justathought---your argument falls pittifully short.
Why isn't Hansen getting executed, Sammy the bull,
Gotti, ect, ect, ect,ect,-------The last two have certanily
harmed more INNOCENT children than McVeigh did
answer me.Oh and this is a republic not a democracy, put it to
a vote, and you'll find out.The majority of people want stringent gun laws(Mcveigh on the other hand sided
with the NRA and the 2nd amendment) people are
against the death penalty. The majority of people
were against Clarence Thomas for the Supreme court.
If you didn't know AL got more votes than JR,thus Al
won the majority. People were against a "punk" naming
more ass-holes to the supreme court but hey the people
lost. In the U.S. money talks and the people walk,
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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OLDHIPPIE and Mommie good comments wow someone
agrees with me and I'm out of the friendly confines of the
cafe--scary thought. Cowboy no I didn't realize you had
any personal involvement with people who were killed
or hurt. I agree that INNOCENT childen died, not adults.
My point further up the thread was INNOCENT children
die everyday some killed by there loving parents these
not INNOCENT parents are not but to death. Some are
not even charged, the children remain INNOCENT and
dead. And Dead is Dead my friend by a bomb or simple
neglect. The death penalty is wrong and McVeigh is not
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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Cowboy I love your posts down at the cafe.
Think about this before you answer. What adult U.S.
citizen(I include myself) can say they are INNOCENT?
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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Teejay--The mother will not be a heroine--for she lives.
Yes she lives to have another child that she may or may
not neglect, defintely no hero status for her.She had nothing to say or stand for she was flirting
with the guy next door. Her evil was far greater than
McVeigh's.BTW out here in hot sunny Arizona you can't count the
times you see a commercial on T.V. about keeping
your kids safe from water so my friend there is much
"public awareness". Tell me ol' man how many times
a day everday of the week for more than six months
out of the year for year after year---Have you seen
Clinton signing the ban on assault rifles? Now I'm
against guns like I have said and I knew Clinton signed
something along those lines. But really until McVeigh
did what he did I really did not take in all the ramifications.
It is not I who will elevate McVeigh to hero status it will be
all gun loving americans who do when there guns are
taken away----as for me I can't wait for the ban.He was not a coward in the gulf war after the gulf war
while he was driving the ryder truck or lighting the bomb
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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Bigbio--I don't think you have a clue.Tell me please of
what power did McVeigh have over anybody? He was
not a coward, misguided but not a coward. His beef was
with the government, wasn't that who Washington and
Jefferson had a beef with? Was there innocent children
killed then? Truman in just two swift acts killed more
innocent childern than anybody I know of, now their's a
coward, didn't even have the balls to fly the plane.McVeigh saw Waco and Rudy Ridge and was sick and
angry about it. But the final straw was Clinton signing
the assualt rifle ban. Personally I think all guns should be banned hey i'm a pacifist. But McVeigh was alerting
the country that a right he believed in and was given us
was being taken away and sure as shit it will happen.
Within 20 to 25 years guns in this country will be banned.
At that time 25 to 30 percent of the people will regard him
as a freedom fighter and he will ascend to hero status
among them. THIS WILL HAPPENJust to remind you Jefferson wrote the 2nd amendment
so that the government would FEAR the people. The people
should have enough power to over throw their government.
With that in mind every tax paying citizen of the U.S. should
have their own Stealth Bomber in their drive way.Last thing, finally here in PHX they have convicted a mother
of negligent homicide because her 10 month old daughter
drowned in her CARE. (Child drownings here are of epidemic
proportions in PHX).Mothers statement after verdict "I'm MAD
because they don't do anything to all of the other people
(whose children have drowned) I was thinking I would
be found 100 percent not guilty" Tell me wasn't her
daughter an innocent child, Will her loving mother get
the death penalty--25 years to life--10 to 15 oh no
she'll get probation to a three year prison term. Any
parent who leaves their small child alone around water
are just as guilty as McVeigh hell even more they are
the INNOCENT childs parents for gods sake.
Oh I love it "TRUTH, JUSTICE and the AMERICAN WAY
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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DannyBear--yes i'm a pacifist--According to Emy I also am
racist--were she came up with that I have no clue.
I don't have much time so just a point that came right
off the bat. A sheriff was elected, he ran for office he
wanted it. My freedoms I don't take for granted, either
may I add did McVeigh---Freedom is what the man died
for it really is that simple.Now I would have not did what he
did, but should I thank and applaud him for standing up
for the second amandment--it is after all one of my so
called freedoms,that personally should be over turned.
Their is freedom and then their is FREEDOM as
Ritchie Havens sings---FREEDOM-FREEDOM-FREEDOM
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by Amazing ini am a policitcal conservative, at least a fiscal conservative and sociel moderate.
i support the death penalty, but i agree that our judicial system needs to overhaul how wwe treat criminals to achieve better rehabilitation results.
and of course, withhold the death penalty in cases where there could be doubt.. in mcveigh's case, i believe that he deserves the death penalty.
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DannyBear-I would never fight for my country, thats like
dying for the watchtower or pope or whatever other silly
things man fights over. I sure the hell ain't going to risk
my life so you can buy cheaper gas, go out and get a
freakin' bike. I don't care if you have two VCR'S and a DVD
player and a and a and a and a I'm not dying for it and I'm
not killing somebody so you can have it or keep it.Tip O' Neal once said all politics is local. Being thats the
case the greatest President in my lifetime was????????
NIXON, you know why? Because a year before I was to be
drafted he stopped the draft. My brother did two tours over
there and I my friend was not going to go over and shoot people that were doing my FAMILY no harm. A president a
senate or a congress has no right to tell me to go kill my
fellow man.The only reason to fight and or die for is to
protect your FAMILY.