Maybe the holy spirit is like a big pizza pie. Here's your portion:
Or if it is poured out, maybe its more like a pitcher of beer. Here's your portion:
Party on!
cheezy
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holy spirit and JW's... are they way off or what???
by in a new york bethel minute ini remember a talk about 10 years ago about how we were not supposed to pray for a "portion" of holy spirit... and that, even though it is not a person and it's just his active force, it's not distributed in portions... you either have it or you don't.
but i notice a lot of witnesses still pray to god and ask for a portion of his holy spirit.
i find this very offensive and ignorant... anybody else notice this and how i can approach a jw about the proper way to pray about this matter???.
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How many ex JWs return to the Borg?
by greendawn insomeone told me there are statistics showing that ultimately one third of jws leaving will go back to the borg.
this is not the general impression one gets from this forum.
so what's really happening?
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cheezy
I really think you'd have to define, quantify and qualify terms:
- "go back to the organization"
- apostate
- inactive
- believer
- unbaptized
- "leave the organization"
A lot of people on this site are still considered "in" the organization, even though they don't believe it. So maybe a better question would recognize those who are at the extreme ends of the continuum - from raging, active apostate (that would be me ) to a totally lobotomized Stepford witness who would rat out his own grandmother for humming Jingle Bells. That leaves an awful lot of folks in the middle - like deer caught in the headlights (or a bear cub playing with his pee-pee.)
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Do you still keep track when the Circuit Overseer visits your congregation?
by JH inwhen i first faded many years ago, i always wanted to know when the co was visiting my congregation.
i would always becareful during that week not to answer the door, just incase he came by.
avoiding them was my way to freedom.. i didn't want him to bible talk me back to going to meetings.
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cheezy
I remember once, he came at my door all alone. Knowing that I don't answer the door to the witnesses, and knowing that I didn't know him, he came alone trying to fool me, but he didn't fool me, cause I recognized the CO's car parked in front, so he never got to talk to me.
Hey, just so you don't give in to full-blown, bug-sh*t paranoia!
When I was doing my 'fade' the CO and PO called on me - a young single sister (23 year old virgin, too). They questioned me closely about sexual matters - disgustingly, I believe now that the CO was getting off on it. Damn! Anyway, the topper was they wanted to know specifically why I was not interested in marrying young Bro. B, a strong witness who was interested in me. I said we had dated but I was not in love with him. They clearly indicated that wasn't important - 'love could come in time.'
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I will no longer feel guilty about.....how about you?
by troubled mind ini will no longer feel guilty about following my own conscience......
if i want to donate to a needy child's christmas fund, i will not feel guilty....
i will give presents to my family when i feel motivated - guilt free......
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cheezy
I often say to Mr.Panda *fick you* and we both laugh. We also throw grenades at each other but that's just us.
LOL! As long as you don't feel guilty about it!
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Being raised a witness has it's benefits...
by Princess ini actually have several reasons why i don't resent my witness upbringing, but it sure came in handy today.. last year i posted about helping 50 kids run in the seattle kids marathon at my daughter's school.
the event was a blast and while it was a ton of work, seeing the joy on the kids' faces when they crossed the finish line made it all worth it.. this morning i spoke to the entire student body at my daughter's school at their monthly spirit assembly.
if i hadn't been raised a witness, giving talks from the time i was five, i never would have attempted such a thing.
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cheezy
I have heard this before, and understand the thinking, but I can't get past the idea that I lost a lot more than I ever gained by being raised in the borg.
While I appreciate your positive outlook, Princess, this sums it up for me. Its like being mugged, robbed and beaten and being grateful that they left you bus fare. Swell. After I left WTS and went to college, I took a communication class and learned public speaking. It really isn't rocket science. The biggest drawback of speaking in public speaking is lack of self-confidence. Being raised a JW contributes to that greatly for many of us.
Who knows what you wouldv'e learned or what you would have been like had you been allowed to grow up with a fairly open mind with your natural, healthy curiosity about the world unstunted. I personally will never know.
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I am new to the forum!! Help!
by Jdarley ini have come to this website/forum looking for friendship and guidance along with a bit of support.
i hope here i can learn more about jehovah.
my family is soo against it, and i hope i can gain more knowledge here, for i am thirsty for it.
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cheezy
Welcome aboard, jdarley! You will learn much here and enjoy the fellowship.
I guarantee it!
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Watchtower has been wheat with weeds?
by Star Moore ini have just left the org.
after 26 years.
i would like to make the point that the reason it is hard to leave the org.
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cheezy
He was given truths from the bible that the other religions honestly don't have.
If the truth is in the Bible, then everyone was "given" it - yes? Or are you saying that he was divinely inspired? To my thinking, with all due respect, he formulated an interpretation of what he read as we are all free to do. I do not think that God would kill us for not agreeing with someone's interpretation, not do I think he "gave" someone the truth. Why not just give us the straight story with no (corruptible) middle man?
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Is Blood Now 'The Tail Wagging The Dog'?
by metatron ina few years ago, the organization seemed to be drifting towards reason.
the knowledge book downplayed holidays and blood.. witness kids were told they could go to college.
the new worship book - as a re-edited "united" book - removed all mention of.
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cheezy
Witness kids were told they could go to college....................Suddenly, college is being demonized again.
You just can't let the little bastards get book-learning!
Seriously, good thread - great observations and reasoning. And I agree; life and death puts blood into a completely different category than any of the other dumbass dogma.
Ques: How did they get themselves into this conundrum in the first place and why? Just lack of foresight?
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Is Jehovah Mentally Unstable?
by THE SHOOTIST ina friend of mine showed me as interesting scripture, ex.
4:24 that talks about jehovah showing up in person to kill moses, but was talked out of it by moses' wife because from what the bible says she circumcised her son and threw the foreskin at his feet.
she then called him a blood-smeared bridegroom, referring to the circumcision and the lord left him alone.
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cheezy
I guess when God sees a foreskin its like a bull seeing red, he just wants to kill, kill, kill.
Wait a minute.......you mean it isn't just me?
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Is Jehovah Mentally Unstable?
by THE SHOOTIST ina friend of mine showed me as interesting scripture, ex.
4:24 that talks about jehovah showing up in person to kill moses, but was talked out of it by moses' wife because from what the bible says she circumcised her son and threw the foreskin at his feet.
she then called him a blood-smeared bridegroom, referring to the circumcision and the lord left him alone.
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cheezy
I'll pass.