Christopher
Don't worry I will have mercy on you. I guess you will never reach above 40 books as WTS.
Desino
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The Words of The Wise.....Given by One Shepherd
by Desino inecclesiastes 12:11-13 .
11 the words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nailsgiven by one shepherd.
12 be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
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The Man of Lawlessness
by Desino inhave anyone thought who is matching best to this description of the man of lawlessness?
the slave class, is one i can think of since they made many additional rules, that not has a solid scripturally ground, about what is right or wrong for a christian.
did jesus told his disciples how to cut their hair or how they should practise sex within marriage?
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Desino
By reconsidering matters: I would like to think that the leadership of watchtower is not the man of lawlessness. In the Bible antichrist is referred to as the man of lawlessness. Watchtower society cannot be identified as antichrist, since they don't deny Jesus Christ.
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The Words of The Wise.....Given by One Shepherd
by Desino inecclesiastes 12:11-13 .
11 the words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nailsgiven by one shepherd.
12 be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
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Desino
Ecclesiastes 12:11-13
11 The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one Shepherd.
12 Be warned, my son, of anything in addition to them.
Of making many books there is no end, and much study wearies the body.13 Now all has been heard;
here is the conclusion of the matter:
Fear God and keep his commandments,
for this is the whole duty of man.As I see these verses. The one Shepherd is God. Notice what verse 12 says: Be warned my son, of making addition to them.
I believe most people in this forum would agree, that the leadership of WTS in the past have made additions to the wise words of God. The study of many books and magazines can indeed weary the body (the mind). Can it really be that God wanted all these extra publications? According to the scripture the answer is no.
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To Wt apologists - this is all that mattered to me... please address
by AK - Jeff inforget all the other smoke.
b-days, xmas, holidays.
forget doctrine issues.
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Desino
Dave, I love your humor. It made me chuckle hehe.
Please grab your towel and modest bathing attire, drop your brain in that bin over there with the others, and follow the attendants... I know what you mean. From the WTS you are told what to think. What freaks me out in the WTS control system, is that you are not allowed to question any doctrines/teaching from the GB.
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Desolation of Jerusalem
by Alwayshere inusing the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.
add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.
the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.
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Desino
Well said Jeffro, very little reading comprehension. WT scholar could neither read about the archaelogical evidences I showed in the begining of this thread.
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LATEST STATISTICS
by Raphael inany one know what the latest statistics are i.e worldwide report 2006 ?
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Desino
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I heard that 50.000 left WT organization in 2004. Either voluntary or disfellowshipped.
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Have You Hear The Number who Left?
by Desino inat a jw assembly last year in europe, i heard that 50.000 worldwide had left the watchtower organization of various reasons.
can anyone confirm this number?.
i could interesting to know what the main reasons where..
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Desino
At a JW assembly last year in Europe, I heard that 50.000 worldwide had left the Watchtower organization of various reasons. Can anyone confirm this number?
I could interesting to know what the main reasons where.
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The Man of Lawlessness
by Desino inhave anyone thought who is matching best to this description of the man of lawlessness?
the slave class, is one i can think of since they made many additional rules, that not has a solid scripturally ground, about what is right or wrong for a christian.
did jesus told his disciples how to cut their hair or how they should practise sex within marriage?
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Desino
My question is: Who is the man of Lawlessness today?
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The Man of Lawlessness
by Desino inhave anyone thought who is matching best to this description of the man of lawlessness?
the slave class, is one i can think of since they made many additional rules, that not has a solid scripturally ground, about what is right or wrong for a christian.
did jesus told his disciples how to cut their hair or how they should practise sex within marriage?
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Desino
The scripture just triggered some thoughts. Yes it could be Ceasar
I don't think one should focus so much on the word Lawlessness.
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Desolation of Jerusalem
by Alwayshere inusing the wts's dates in the january 1.1965 page 29 : nabonidus= 17 years.
add 17 to 539=556, neriglissar==4 years, add 4 to 556=560, evil-marduk=2 years, add 2 to560=562, nebuchadnezzar=43 years, add 43 to 562 =605.
the bible at 2 kings 25: 8 and 9 says "in the 19th year of king nebuchadnezzar the servant of the king came to jerusallem and burned the house of jehovah.
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Desino
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Let's read what is says in Dan 9:2 "in the first year of his reigning I myself, Daniel, discerned by the books the number of the years concerning which the word of Jehovah had occurred to Jeremiah the prophet, for fulfilling the devastations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years." [NWT]
The WTS has often used these words to support their interpretation of the seventy years, namely that these years were the years from Jerusalem's destruction until the Jews returned. In some translations (NIV is one example), the wording is inaccurate and gives the impression that seventy years had to pass while Jerusalem was in ruins. The NWT, however, faithfully retains the somewhat ambiguous wording of the original.
Daniel simply says that seventy years had to pass before Jerusalem's devastations could end. He does not say that these seventy years started when Jerusalem was destroyed. Note this leading translation:
Dan 9:2 "in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, perceived in the books the number of years which, according to the word of the LORD to Jeremiah the prophet, must pass before the end of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years." [RSV]
Note that RSV and NWT uses plural, "devastations." The WTS argues that the devastation of Jerusalem occurred when the city was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar. But Daniel talks about several devastations. The Jerusalem Bible even use the expression "the successive devastations of Jerusalem."
The word for "devastation" is chorbah. It does not, as we will see, mean complete destruction. We have seen that Nebuchadnezzar took prisoners and booty from Jerusalem already in 605 BC, his accession year. Every year after this his army passed through the land, no doubt casuing more destruction, and the Bible even speaks about marauder bands from different nations causing havoc in this time (see 2 Kings 24:2; Jeremiah 35:11).
If we look at how this expression is used elsewhere in the Bible, the WTS argument falls completely down. The prophet Ezekiel speaks about "the inhabitants of these devastated places" (Ezekiel 33:24, 27), which then makes it pretty obvious that the word need not necessarily refer to places that are completely devoid of people. When we also see, in Nehemiah 2:17, that the Bible calls Jerusalem devastated even after the Jews had returned to it, we realize that the WTS application of this word is in error.
We have now seen that Daniel 9:2 gives no support to WTS interpretation. First, Daniel nowhere states that the seventy years started when Jerusalem was finally destroyed, as the WTS claim. Second, the devastations of Jerusalem started many years before the final destruction in 587 BC.
No, further comments.