Here in the U K there were just 14 more baptised this service year to last year. Certainly nothing like the increases in the past.
Posts by alanv
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by Mattieu inthe last 3 weekends have seen 3 circuit assemblies in victoria with over 1000 attending each circuit.
yet only 10 baptised over the last 3 weeks, including 3 last weekend.
i can remember a few years ago when only 1 bro was baptised at a 2 day convention.. its funny, when 10-20 were being baptised at each circuit assembly back in the 1980s & early 90s it was always brought out that this was a sign of jehovahs blessing upon the org.
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by jam inmy brother, who is a elder, email my sister who is not a jw, to explain to her why.
he can not associate or speak to me.a little history, i have been out since 1987, have moved on.
with my life.the rest of the family( not jw) can not understand why after all this time they are still.
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alanv
Jam I know it is horrible but did you not know what would happen when you were disfellowshipped. If you are living an unscriptual life now then witnesses and family witnesses will not talk to you. Their error of course is they think they have the truth. In fact it is very far from the truth but they believe it. Probably your only hope is to try to live according to their standards even if those standards are wrong. Either that or get reinstated and then over time simply fade away as many have done. I wish you well.
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Hi again, I've been absent for a bit
by Marni Mai ini was previously crazyblonde (couldn't get into my account after being absent for a while 0_o).. long story short, things have been interesting.. i'm successfully in the faded stage now.
got a bit of hounding - had a few elders calling and texting my husband about me (he's still in, kinda).
had an 'unexpected drop in' at our place too, which i didn't even know about until after as my hubby kept them outside.
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alanv
Good news Marni, it's not easy fading, you do tend to have to watch your back as the org doesn't like people in the in between stage. I know I am in the same situation as you. With me it is my son who is still in. Just one warning to you. They can theoretically disfellowship you if you have contact or a meal with your disfellowshipped friend.
It sounds to me that it won't be too long before your hubby joins you. You are so right not pushing it. Just show all the family how much happier your life is now. I wish you well
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No natural affection? Jehovahs Witnesses fulfill this scripture
by jambon1 inanyone who can turn their back on their flesh & blood sons and daughters, mothers and fathers fulfill this prophecy perfectly.. people who do this are utterly unloving & cruel.
it has lead thousands of people to feel issolated, alone & in many cases suicidal.
how can such a thing originate with god?.
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alanv
Good point jambon. All I can say in their defence is it really does show how indoctrinated the JWs are. I and many others on this site would probably have done the same thing when we were witnesses. It is a horrible thing to do to people but we all did it, for we thought that was what God wanted.
Most witnesses are just normal human beings that got caught up in this religon. They are not stupid or retardid just very misguided.
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UN scandal
by inbetween inlately i did a lot of reading regarding the un scandal, the org being a ngo for 10 years.
i tried to read both sides, the comments on jwfacts.com, as well as the defense at jehovahsjudgment.co.uk.. and then the endless discussion on topix.com between thirdwitness and alanf and others.. while i am sure, the way the org handled the whole situation, especially after the article in the guardian, was plain wrong, instead of openly confessing a mistake, it was done secretely and only after inquiry, and made it look like a cover-up.. .
however, considering the whole issue, i think it comes down to one question:.
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alanv
The point is, you can't have it both ways. The WT is scathing about any other religon that has any slight contact with a political org. Therefore it must be the same itself. It should be keeping even further away if it is as it claims the true religon. They were caught and once they were, they pretended they new nothing about agreeing to the U N terms. They have proved to be hypocritical in so many other things it should surprise no one that they were the same with the U N situation
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Dealing with Being DF'd
by ~Jen~ ini haven't posted much here but i feel like i need some support right now.
i did post my story, but basically i'm 27, married for 7 years and i was df'd in july.
i always knew i didn't want to be a jw but went along with everything because of fear.
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alanv
Jen I have been lucky I was able to simply fade so I am able to speak with my son who is still a witness, but my heart goes out to you. It is a horrible situation to be in, but then it's a horrible religon. It WILL get better and of course you can speak with any of us on this forum any time you like if you are feeling a bit down. The ones who go back, go back so that they can speak with their family again, but I hope you can keep free of doing that because in the long term you are much better off out of it. Also hopefully the rest of your family will see the light and get out of it themselves. I wish you well.
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Did You WANT To Talk To Disfellowshipped People?
by minimus indid you at least want to say "hi"?
or did you avoid them like the plague?.
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My 16 year old son is starting to see the light
by vivalavida inon march this year (2009) i dad myself from the jws.
of course, it was nice to finally feel free, real free, after over 40 years of mind control.
i don't write much here but i feel this is worth sharing.. one measure i took before leaving was to take my then 15 year old son for a walk and explain to him that things would be different from the jws standpoint, but that i would always love him and that he could come to me at any time.. one thing that was very hard for me, is the fact that i separated from my wife, with which i was having problems for a long time already.
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alanv
Great story Viv. It is so hard when we leave and we still have family in. I made the mistake of bombarding my son with everything I new and he is still a witness today. As Black sheep says, take it slow at your son's speed. If he sees you still as a loving, helpful father he will come round completely I am sure. The trick is for him to realize himself and check everything he is told.
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Just my thoughts on the WT Jan 15 2010... Bah humbug
by Aussie Oz injust having a practice at copy n paste etc!.
notes on jan 15 2010 wt study articles entitled: why dedicate yourself to jehovah?
and belonging to jehovah - an undeserved kindness.. .
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Seeking those who still wish to be JW's.
by Pineapple ini am not a jw basher.
i still love my brothers and sisters in the truth.
2 years ago i was kicked out because i am gay.
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alanv
Welcome to the board pineapple. There are many rules and regulations for anyone who wants to stay a witness. You're right. There are many good people among JWs. But they would never accept that you had no choice in the matter of being gay. To them it is something wicked. Just like you're wicked or weak if you do not accept everything from their rule book. If I were you I would be very thankful that you are out of this org. I wish you well.