Posts by whyizit

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I Figured Out The Easiest Way To Expose Jehovah's Witnesses!!!!

by minimus in

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just say the truth.

don't embellish.

just give the facts to people.....for example, tell people that jws don't think it's wrong to actually lie if they believe that telling the truth to a person could hurt them.

whyizit

They are a branch of Adventists, their founder used to teach that Jesus returned in 1874, his grave is marked with a pyramid, they had a house built for OT saints called Beth Sarim, they now teach Jesus returned in 1914, (although they cannot count, because the 607 date for the fall of Jerusalem is a tad off...), etc....much of which can be found within the pages of their very own Proclaimers of God's Kingdom book. Including, but not limited to the white washed versions of teaching the world was going to end in 1975.....----need I go on?

Chapter 5 ALONE of this book is filled with lots of awesome truth! :0)

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Proclaimer's Book---anyone have good website info. on questions to ask?

by whyizit in

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i just received a copy of the proclaimer's of god's kingdom book.

my jw friend offered to get me a copy, but then when i asked a few questions about the chapter she sent me, and told her i would actually like to take her up on the offer and have the entire book, she said it wasn't available after all.. won't she be surprised when i tell her i found it and bought it off of ebay?!

i wondered if anyone here knows of a web site that might help me cut to the chase and find all the questions i need to ask from this book?

whyizit

Thanks so much!

I always know that I can count on the people at JWD to have the answers I need.

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Proclaimer's Book---anyone have good website info. on questions to ask?

by whyizit in

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i just received a copy of the proclaimer's of god's kingdom book.

my jw friend offered to get me a copy, but then when i asked a few questions about the chapter she sent me, and told her i would actually like to take her up on the offer and have the entire book, she said it wasn't available after all.. won't she be surprised when i tell her i found it and bought it off of ebay?!

i wondered if anyone here knows of a web site that might help me cut to the chase and find all the questions i need to ask from this book?

whyizit

I just received a copy of the Proclaimer's Of God's Kingdom book.

My JW friend offered to get me a copy, but then when I asked a few questions about the chapter she sent me, and told her I would actually like to take her up on the offer and have the entire book, she said it wasn't available after all.

Won't she be surprised when I tell her I found it and bought it off of ebay?! :0)

I wondered if anyone here knows of a web site that might help me cut to the chase and find all the questions I need to ask from this book? I have already found MANY, but due to a lack of time, I would really like to have some quick pointers. At least until I have the time to go through it more thoroughly at a later time.

Any help you can give would be great! (Even after they obviously doctored a lot of their history in it, this book still has a lot of damning evidences within it.) Wow.

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Your Opinion Wanted-What should really be done to child molesters?

by avidbiblereader in

i have not tried to hide my past as a victim of this, but this is always an area that i have to fight my personally feelings as to what should be done to child molesters.

they ruin lives, scar an individual for a lifetime!.

should they be incarcerated for life, castrated, turned over to the family member(s), public humiliation like a branding everywhere they go, tortured and or death penality?.

whyizit

At the very least, it should be tattooed across their foreheads, so that the rest of us know who they are and what they are all about. At least we could try to protect our children from them.

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Experts on 607 BCE--How do you make the point simply and effectively?

by whyizit in

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i have been going back and forth via email with a jw friend.

the subject got around to 607 bce, so i asked her if she could find a non-wts source to prove that date.

of course, she writes back telling me about all the complicated info.

whyizit

I have been going back and forth via email with a JW friend. The subject got around to 607 BCE, so I asked her if she could find a non-WTS source to prove that date. Of course, she writes back telling me about all the complicated info. she has, gives me a WTS reference of how 587 can't be right, makes the statement that even if the 1914 date is off, it isn't off by much (What??!!!), all that matters is that we know Jesus is in power right now. There may not even be scientific proof for that date, yadda, yadda, yadda......

She says that we need to sit down and basically go over it in person with all her "materials". She is even trying to pawn me off on other JW friends who can "explain it better".

Here is the thing: I want to show that it really is not that hard to figure out, in terms that she can understand. I also need it in terms that I can understand and convey effectively. I would like to know what arguments might surface and how I can lay them flat.

Do you have any suggestions? I want to keep things short and sweet, because drowning her in data is not going to help. That is what she tries to do to me.

If any of you have found some great ways to get this point across, then I would love to hear about it.

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High school anti-cult lessons

by IT Support in

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i've been asked to help develop a course for high school students to teach them about destructive cults and how to identify them.

not jw-bashing) to be useful for all students (and also not to frighten off jw kids and their parents), i would hope it might help jws (kids and parents) to start to think.

does anyone know of anything similar that we could buy in?

whyizit

I had tried to find a program also, but didn't have much success in finding an already put together program. I am using an outline that can be found at HowCultsWork.com. It does not mention any names, and it has great info. on the various cults that are out there. I also am using some of the info. from Steve Hassan's books (Lifton's 8 criteria, etc...).

Since you are speaking to kids of many backgrounds, many of them may be in a cult and not realize it (yet). If you make it a point NOT to mention any names of cults, then there shouldn't be a problem with any of the parents. In fact, maybe they will see the parrallels as their child goes through the class.

A friend of mine showed How Cults Work to her daughter-in-law, without mentioning the JWs, and it did have an impact. I would stress the importance of doing research on the history of any organization that you plan to join. (Cults do not typically look in to their own history. They just like to dig in to every one else's dirty laundry, while ignoring their own.)

If you find any great programs or info., please PM me! I am trying to put something together too, and it would be great to hear how you are coming along with your's.

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Close friend needs advice -- about to be cut off and lose inheritance

by Dogpatch in

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this is a plea from a close friend of mine who is a 4th or 5th generation jw who left a few years ago due to the wt's corruption.

she lives next door to her mother and now another jw family related to her.

she is looking for any advice from any of you that has been in a similar situation, how you dealt with it, and her options.

whyizit

Depending on how close of a relationship she has with her mother: She should consult an attorney about the benefits to her mother of having her as power of attorney.

**If her mother would make it a point to discuss this issue with her fellow JWs, it may not be a good thing to bring up at this time. She wouldn't want POA to be given to one of them!

My mother and I were very close and she knew I had her best interests at heart, so she made sure my name was on her accounts and property, incase I would need to take care of things should she have an extended hospital stay.

She also trusted that I would be fair with my siblings and had a short will drawn up, to make clear who was to be excluded and why (long-lost relatives that come out of the wood-work when money is involved).

Maintain a good relationship and try to keep her life peaceful and easy. It is cruel for people to harrass her and hound her at this stage of her life. I'd ask an attorney about that as well. Maybe when you are POA, you could also get a restraining order, if they don't stop badgering her.

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Let The Person Discover The True Watchtower Or Tell Them About It?

by The wanderer in

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let the person discover the true watchtower or tell them about it?my best friend recently discovered the truth about the watchtower after having.

loaned him my copy of crisis of conscience.

we fought excessively about the .

whyizit

If your friend was willing to read CoC, have him look up the web site or get the book called Captives Of A Concept by Don Cameron. That may be the icing on the cake for him.

It pin points the fact that although JWs do a lot of research and seem to know about the histories of every one else's religions, they don't know much at all about their own. Those facts might help to build the bridge he needs to freedom.

Let us know how it goes!

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With all of the negative talk by Born-Agains against JW's are BAC's better?

by booker-t in

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with all of the negativity you read on ex-jw's websites and christian websites against jw's, one question comes to my mind do bac's(born-again christians) and ex-jw's think that they can do a better job at preaching the gospel/good news to the public?

while i don't agree with alot of what jw's teach i do admire their dedication in field service something i just don't see in born-again christianity.

i know alot of bac's that smoke, drink too much, cheat on their spouses, cheat on their taxes and don't receive any kind of church discipline.

whyizit

Personally, I think there is a fear on both sides. BAC are afraid of being decieved by JWs. JWs are afraid of BAC for the same reason.

I don't think you can accurately say that BAC's do not reach people door to door. There is more than one way to preach door to door. As JWs often point out, today's society can be wicked and dangerous. Many people will not open their doors to strangers, so the gospel has to be brought to them in alternative ways. (Television, Radio, Mail, Phone, Computer, etc...) The gospel was also preached in temples and public areas (I think in Acts 17). Are we to say it wasn't done correctly, because a different method was employed in those instances?

Rarely do I ever hear any of my BAC friends say anything at all negative about JWs. Usually they commend them for certain aspects, even if they don't agree with their beliefs. My JW friends, on the other hand, take every opportunity to bash any religion other than their own. They have NOTHING good to say about them. They over look the many good things that other religions are doing. (Charity work, etc...) They know all about the history of other religions and why they are so wrong. But they know precious little about their own. If you look in to the history and beginnings of the WTS, you may understand better why Christians are leary of JWs.

BAC's don't spend near the time bashing JWs as the WTS would have you believe. I have been in many churches and the subject of the WTS rarely comes up. When it does, it is usually because a frantic and confused relative has been cut off from their JW loved one. I have not had one conversation yet with my JW friends in which they have not made it a point to hatefully slam some other religion, however.

This is just an observation from my point of view. I am not a JW and never have been. I don't hate JWs. I do question how they can spend so much time studying other religions with out giving much thought to looking deeper in to the history of their own, though.

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Elder quits meetings

by buffalosrfree in

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i received good news from my daughter, it was amazing to her, but she informed me that she met an old friend from a congregations we attended 10 years ago, and the upshot was that the friends partents no longer attended meetings.

he her dad had been an elder the last i talked with him, he had left the congregation we were in due to the attitude of other elders there, went to a new congregation and the last i heard was very happy there.

we had had conversations about various aspects of the supposed truth and he always tried to counsel me about the troooth as spouted by the pharasies then.

whyizit

(Amen to that, Mouthy!)

I need to hear about about some happy endings. It gives me hope.