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Nature of the Word "Spiritual" Amongst Witnesses
by freemindfade in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
even as an atheist i consider myself spiritual, always have, metaphysics and spiritual discussions about enlightenment and so on i find interesting, even if belief in a yhwh is not in me.

i want to propose this simple definition of the word "spiritual" among jehovah's witnesses.. spiritual = indoctrination or indoctrinated.

i have been told how i'm "just not a spiritual man".
freemindfade

When I was doing fairly well in most aspects, I remember someone telling me the new reason that I wasn't being used was I didn't "comment enough". If it wasn't getting over the monthly average it was that (mind you I was working full time and supporting a pioneer wife).
I was told this is how you show your faith, by commenting. In other words if you don't show it no one will believe it. So what if you are faking it? whats the difference? Needing proof shows how their idea of spirituality is based on external factors of what others think, not internally whats really happening with you. In other words you could do nothing and be really spiritual, or you could be a fake and pioneer and make every comment.
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Nature of the Word "Spiritual" Amongst Witnesses
by freemindfade in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
even as an atheist i consider myself spiritual, always have, metaphysics and spiritual discussions about enlightenment and so on i find interesting, even if belief in a yhwh is not in me.

i want to propose this simple definition of the word "spiritual" among jehovah's witnesses.. spiritual = indoctrination or indoctrinated.

i have been told how i'm "just not a spiritual man".
freemindfade

We could all write volumes I am sure on their skewed idea of "spirituality". That's why I was trying to encompass all this in a simple
Spirituality = How well you demonstrate you're indoctrination.
Love the discussion and seeing everyones ideas, and I would love to hear more.
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Nature of the Word "Spiritual" Amongst Witnesses
by freemindfade in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
even as an atheist i consider myself spiritual, always have, metaphysics and spiritual discussions about enlightenment and so on i find interesting, even if belief in a yhwh is not in me.

i want to propose this simple definition of the word "spiritual" among jehovah's witnesses.. spiritual = indoctrination or indoctrinated.

i have been told how i'm "just not a spiritual man".
freemindfade
Even as an atheist I consider myself spiritual, always have, metaphysics and spiritual discussions about enlightenment and so on I find interesting, even if belief in a YHWH is not in me. I want to propose this simple definition of the word "spiritual" among Jehovah's Witnesses.
Spiritual = Indoctrination or Indoctrinated
I have been told how I'm "just not a spiritual man". As I am sure many others have been accused of. Or phrases like"spiritual matters". Many uneducated (both secularly and theologically) witnesses feel they are spiritual beacons of understanding, when really they know nothing more, or in most cases much less than your average "apostate".
Unknowingly to most dubs, "Spirituality" in the context of witnesses amounts to:
1. How well you follow the Watchtowers rules
2. How blindly you embrace their dogma and their doctrine
3. And how far you will go to demonstrate the above two points
Simply put that is all. It is no great search for enlightenment, or even coming to understand "God". Or in concerns about a spiritual realm.
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If someone asked you, 'Are you a righteous person'? What would be your answer?
by Esse quam videri in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what would be your answer?

are you are a righteous person?

on a scale of 1-10, how righteous do you feel you are?.
freemindfade

I'd say Im a level ten righteous guy, then smack the nearest lady on the @$$, take a sip of scotch, and go find a cigar
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BBC debate on Apostasy within Islam - the parallels are striking!
by nicolaou in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
do british muslims have a problem with apostasy?.

not sure if the link above will auto embed as i'm posting from my tablet, if not just click through.. i think this format is useless for any meaningful or constructive debate.

it's almost designed to get sunday morning viewers sputtering over their coffee but still .
freemindfade

Very good! thank you, going to be sharing this with some people.
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If someone asked you, 'Are you a righteous person'? What would be your answer?
by Esse quam videri in
1. watchtower
2. beliefs
what would be your answer?

are you are a righteous person?

on a scale of 1-10, how righteous do you feel you are?.
freemindfade

Tough question, at one time eating pork and shellfish was immoral or unrighteous according to the desert god YHWH. I love those things! So on a scale of 1-10? Who's scale? I think it would need to be broken down like this:
Kindess: 10
behavior with women 3
and so on lol
Righteousness is linked to morality no? it used to be righteous to have slaves but not eat shellfish in the OT. The only things that I would consider unrighteous would be those things that harm others or society. Murder, theft, and so on.
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My father is a f*****g a*****e
by Butyoucanneverleave in
1. jw
2. experiences
this is my first post.

i just had to get that statement off of my chest!

my father is one cold hearted judge mental, hypocritical, piece of s**t. i hate this religion and what it has done to my family!
freemindfade

Welcome. Know you are not alone. Your feelings are valid and a product of what this cult does.
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1 Kings 22: 22-23 God send forth a lying spirit.
by James Mixon in
1. watchtower
2. bible
ok help me out.

god do not lie but he send forth a lying spirit.. did i miss something ..
freemindfade

My atheism Is all thanks to the bible
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1 Kings 22: 22-23 God send forth a lying spirit.
by James Mixon in
1. watchtower
2. bible
ok help me out.

god do not lie but he send forth a lying spirit.. did i miss something ..
freemindfade

Jehovah does not and never existed. Even in writing. Thats a name made up by a monk. The Hebrew gods. Yhwh and El. They are who you speak of. their traits are of a spoiled child not an all knowing higher intelligence. pretty sure they don't exist either. But they were in the bible.
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1 Kings 22: 22-23 God send forth a lying spirit.
by James Mixon in
1. watchtower
2. bible
ok help me out.

god do not lie but he send forth a lying spirit.. did i miss something ..
freemindfade

"It is important to understand that in most Bible-based cults, although the member is aggressively taught doctrine, it is not the doctrine that holds him in the group. It is the sense that the group is God's true people, a feeling cultivated by techniques of mind control. Thus, to engage the cult member in a Biblical argument or discussion is often futile." Stephen Hassan Releasing the Bonds p.145