as all these things digress into, a debate about how well everyone debates.
The OP he says he envies anyone who says they are not certain. I don't believe anyone who would be labeled and atheist would be stupid enough to say they are certain there is not (lets not say god) higher intelligence, higher level, responsible party something. None. Atheist are all agnostic technically. But we suggest no higher power, no god, not responsible party, that takes theists to make shit up. No atheist ever said something like gravity is not a physical law of the universe, its zues farting or yhwh pulling strings.
what do you guys wish to accomplish? is there a belief you are trying to promote? or just arguing for the sake of circular arguing? Are you trying to make a case for the abrahamic god? or any other myth? if not then we are all in the same boat.
No one knows and who gives a f%$#. The more we discover the more we chip away at all the supposed actions of your bronze age goat herder god and all the other foundation myths. Science doesn't lead us to god, its been leading us to reason which seems to kill the gods of men.
