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  Hello, this is my first post

  by noralee in

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  hello, this is my first post, i would like to introduce myself and say thank you to every one on this forum, you have been a lifeline to me these last few years.. i had been a jw for 30 years when i walked away a few years ago disgusted by the treatment victims of child abuse, domestic abuse and rape receive from the wtbts.. at first i thought it was a local problem, elders personal opinions, the way they handled the situations, imperfect men etc., until i checked out jehovahs witnesses and child abuse/domestic abuse online.

  that's when i realized they had the same modus operandi worldwide.

  that led me here, tbuo this forum, and then to crisis of conscience, jw facts, watchtower documents, jw survey, old watchtower literature and cd s, reading a couple of steve hassans books, and more recently exiting the jw cult.. the feelings of shock, betrayal, anger at the wtbts, angry with myself for being so gullible, depression, reflection, loneliness, have taken their toll.

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  freemindfade

  Welcome
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  I really don't look forward to any of it but I do like observing the downtrend of this organization. So for that I will suffer to say I was there
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  stan..

  Cult

  Lead

  Aimless

  Meeting

  although they call it the christian life and ministry meeting
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  Have we become what we despise so much?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.

  upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.

  again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.

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  freemindfade

  Anyone that can't differentiate disagreement from insult hasn't stepped far enough away from the org yet IMO.
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  I can't say "going to the clam" without seeing this in my head

  

  
  
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  DarioKehl 4 minutes ago
  The first ever CLAM will have peak attendance. Then it will fall back to equilibrium--kinda like the meetings the week of 9/11

  
  Probably, hell I'm gonna be there, there is one more that normally wouldn't be.
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  10-4 steve2

  although I haven't been in so long I am not really sure how well that meeting is attended as it is.

  I will compare it to a normal Sunday.
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  anyone ever had the clams at Don Pepe in ozone park queens? One of my old haunts... so good

  
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  Going to the C.L.A.M.

  by freemindfade in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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  want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

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  freemindfade

  So I haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time...

  But I must attend this first CLAM (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

  Want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.
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  Have we become what we despise so much?

  by Tenacious in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  the majority of members who tend to join this forum have been hurt possibly even traumatized sometimes to the point of wanting to end their lives.

  upon joining the forum, new members are welcomed with open arms, welcome messages start pouring in, "likes" are freely given, a false sense of security is promoted where a member is free to speak his mind without having to worry about the wt gestapo.

  again, similar to how potential converts are welcomed and "love bombed" upon entering a kh for the first time.

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  freemindfade

  I think people are way to sensitive. Let me break down the three things that get people emotional and hot on here.

  1. Religion/God
  2. Politics and political issues
  3. Debating for the sake of debating

  let take the first two together,

  Religion/god and politics/political issues

  Nothing incites more argument and division in people than religion and politics. So to be surprised that people would get worked up and hurt your feelings when discussing these two things is silly. Here is the problem in the context of the JW religion.

  As a witness your religious and political opinions were given to you. You could not discuss politics, and there was one correct religion, the one you were in. You aren't there anymore, people can make their own opinions and debate them from a variety of angles.

  Now political/world event issues get heated, so what. What is the big deal. I can have a 180 degree different opinion than someone else and still take them out for coffee, agree on many things, laugh etc. GROW UP! Put your big boy pants on.

  Religion... many theists feel attacked on here, and I think this comes in varying degrees. Respecting someones religion is not something I subscribe too. I will welcome you, if you were in my neighborhood we could even hang out. Don't expect me to not make fun of your religion. Being embarrassed by the actions of your religion and belief system is a major reason people come to their senses and leave! But if you simply express "I believe in god" I imagine you will be met with questions and challenges, if you say "I believe in god because.." you will be challenged, and the "because" will attract ridicule. The truth should stand to ridicule and scrutiny. And religious ideas do not deserve respect, they aren't people, they are ideas. Many of us left to become atheists, some took a scenic route and tried some other religions, even ones not that different than JWs, and still arrived at atheism. No one is here to convert theists to atheists, most of the time they want to destroy imprisoning ideologies that are suppressing and harming mankind.

  Theists think the atheists that were once JW are harsh? Go have a debate with an atheist that came out of any other religion or always has bee. They may disrespect your ideas the same but probably more!

  Debating for the sake of debating...

  The debate black hole, you will see atheists, agnostic, irreligious folks seemingly turn on each other into a semantic nose dive. These can be fun, they can also get heated, sometimes go nowhere. But I feel these are a great exercise for pushing your own ability to research, and understand. Generally I think this may look ugly and violent, but I do believe less feelings are hurt. It may seem like it, but its just logical exercise. Stop taking it so personal.

  lastly, its the internet people, its a discussion board you have chosen to join. It is not your life, and you just can't control everything in this world. Learn to live with the indifference. or go somewhere else, but the internet is not the end all. Someone here can call you names etc... its just someone on the internet at the end of the day, stop giving it so much impact on your life. Ive called people assholes I've been called an asshole, I really don't care because at the end of the day its just a GD discussion board! lol

  FMF