Posts by freemindfade

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What are the biggest holes in the ransom sacrifice?

by Half banana in

how honest are the proponents of jesus as the ransom sacrifice?.

curious to see what type of response there is on a topic like this or does their study only seek to confirm their preconceptions and ignore uncomfortable facts?.

A conversation with my dad

by magotan in

i talked to my dad today, after i text him when i was angry after a night out.

i'm starting to get closure on my parents relationship with regards to me.the dynamic between them versus me is abusive.

my dad didn't think i had any reason to be bitter.he said i chose to leave "jehovahs people" and this is what i should expect as treatment.

You are walking out of a prison, a prison anyone can leave any time they want. Its the prison of what other think of you. The witnesses choose to stay locked up their, and sometimes we fear leaving because our perspective is wrong, we see shunning as a prison, when really its them inside, we are walking out to freedom. I have experienced like you the trauma of this ordeal so i am not being unsympathetic, just giving you some perspective from further down the road. Rise above them, pity them in their small prison of fear and treat them accordingly. You can't shake them awake, that only causes them to put up walls. Take the high ground whether they come with you or not, and try to make it past this painful part.

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Do JW get counseled for buying a home?

by thedepressedsoul in

i was curious, i couldn't find much on it.

if anything, there are a few articles that give advice on how to properly buy a home, mortgage, good location etc... .

do you know if the elders can counsel on this matter or remove privileges over it?

freemindfade

Short answer, its not dogma, and you will never find such a thing in writing.

That being said, I had received backhanded compliments from friends and family when i bought my first home 15 years ago or so. Guess i was showing my lack of faith Armageddon was coming any day.

A lot of the JW nitpicky things come from a few things

The area you live in (believe it or not there are vast differences based on geographic location)
The congregation you belong to (this can even be within the same hall, you can have tow congregations with different "rules".
The overall pressure created by the JW religion to be judgmental and an asshole. So people, and halls make up their own rules.

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Charles Darwin was not an Atheist

by LAWHFol in

personally i have the same viewpoint of darwin, when he said : " the safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect".

i'm not trying to convince anyone about the existence or non existence of god.. rather, i encourage everyone to keep seeking.

keep searching for the truth that makes the most sense to them.. darwin is the grand father of evolution, and his findings and life work, did not make of him an atheist.

freemindfade

Just remember not to blur the lines of wanting to believe something and REALLY believing it. I'd kinda like to believe in aliens, but I don't go around telling people I do, because I can't, I have no proof. That's a profound thing about this icon from the xfiles, notice it says "want to believe". Its ok to search and wonder about things, but belief is very valuable and should be hard to come by. Don't give it away unless its worth it.

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Charles Darwin was not an Atheist

by LAWHFol in

personally i have the same viewpoint of darwin, when he said : " the safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect".

i'm not trying to convince anyone about the existence or non existence of god.. rather, i encourage everyone to keep seeking.

keep searching for the truth that makes the most sense to them.. darwin is the grand father of evolution, and his findings and life work, did not make of him an atheist.

freemindfade

My response to my "In" family when interrogated about "what I believe". It used to make me anxious because i want to tell the truth about what I don't believe in, but not give them ammo to spew witness rhetoric at me. So now when asked my response is simple.

I believe what I know to be true.

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Charles Darwin was not an Atheist

by LAWHFol in

personally i have the same viewpoint of darwin, when he said : " the safest conclusion seems to me to be that the whole subject is beyond the scope of man's intellect".

i'm not trying to convince anyone about the existence or non existence of god.. rather, i encourage everyone to keep seeking.

keep searching for the truth that makes the most sense to them.. darwin is the grand father of evolution, and his findings and life work, did not make of him an atheist.

freemindfade

I'm not trying to convince anyone about the existence or non existence of God.. Rather, I encourage everyone to keep seeking. Keep searching for the Truth that makes the most sense to them.

That's what its all about. The ability to say "I don't know" and keep searching. That's what leads us to understanding, and away from superstition.

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What I thought CLAM meant , can you think of anymore ?

by smiddy in

for a while there i was confused as to what clam stood for .. ideas that crossed my mind .

christ left a ministry , or meeting .

children`s lives are mine .....( pedo`s in the borg ).

freemindfade

Cult Lead aimless meeting.

Can't learn anything more.

Crap labeled as manure

Covert Lame Apostate Maker.

Crappy Long Ass Meeting

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"If I wasn't born a JW, I would never have become one."

by OneEyedJoe in

i've seen it mentioned by a few on the forum that at some point there was a realization that had they not been born a jw, they never would've converted no matter how many times the jws tried to study with them.

this was my experience too, and i'm wondering how universal it is for those that were born-in but eventually left.

i think i started having this thought (more specifically that if i were not born a jw, i would surely have become an atheist by now) in my late teens.

freemindfade

You I always felt guilty about having to chance to survive Armageddon, as I knew I would never have converted if not born in.

Jwfacts this us exactly explains feeling I went through as well. I alway felt I was sneaking by. Then I would think the big aj must know this and I'll die anyway. Hell of a way to grow up.

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Evolution a Fact - Agreed but So What?

by LAWHFol in

in many debates between believers and non believers (nb), the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god.. i agree that evolution is a fact, however i feel that evolution is proof of some sort of benevolent original cause.. if i were to create an a.i.

, i would program into it the ability to self-refactor and evolve.. i would also randomly inject viruses into the program (evil) where the a.i.

would be forced to stretch its current capabilities & modify it's operating functions in order to get through the random virus, and continue living.. with a steady flow of different viruses, the a.i.

freemindfade

the nb uses evolution as some sort of proof to support the non existence of god

Doesn't seem that way to me. Only presenting on the evolution discussion. The fact that those speaking on evolution tend to also be atheists doesn't mean they are attacking your god when laying out evolution facts.

As this is what you think you hear sounds like your own rationality is knocking at the door asking for you to let it in.

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Satanic Temple’s Seven Tenets - Makes 10 Commandments Sound Facile

by cofty in

the so-called 10 commandments are a post-biblical construct.... there is an elohist list at exodus 20 and a yahwist one at exodus 34 that contains such gems as "you shall not cook a kid in its mother’s milk.".

any intelligent adult could create a more useful list of ethical precepts before the end of a coffee break.. it is interesting to compare the satanic temple's seven tenets.

i think you might agree that it makes yahweh's rules look like they were written by a bronze age power-hungry, misogynistic priest.

freemindfade

I always like these from good ol egypt