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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  Please... guys and gals... don't take my word for it. Watch this.

  http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/underworld-inc/episodes/ghost-guns/

  The problem that Fink reverts to constantly is the mass shooting issue. There are a lot more deaths and problems with guns than from that dude! It shows your bias and inclination towards eating up media propaganda. The amount of people being killed by guns in the inner cities far outweighs the death toll of sensationalized deranged rampage shooters. But its not as glamorous to grandstand about.
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  In the States, carrying of a hand gun is permitted by anyone who holds registration for it. In Canada, we also can buy and carry hand guns.

  Nope. Not true. Can you tell me every states laws with regards to this? How easily can you even get a gun in a place like NYC? Ok if you somehow jump that hurdle, now to carry one you need a conceal permit next, good luck getting that in this lifetime. What about Illinois? What about California? You think you can walk around anywhere in California with a loaded gun???? You guys are out of your minds. :)

  You guys are killing me. If you want to speak intelligently on gun control efforts please know what the hell you are talking about in the first place.

  California is a prime example that the wrong kind of gun control flat doesn't work. That state is a danger zone. Strictest in the business yet the most deaths by guns.

  100% correct!! I have lived in California and Florida I have seen both sides of the coin. Cali is just one giant marketplace for illegal guns.
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  If the anti gun know it all's are serious about understanding how the real world works. I would strongly encourage watching Underworld Inc on netflix. Episode 1. Ghost guns.

  The extremes accomplish nothing. America should adopt and enforce strict laws about education and training for firearms before ownership. Banning them will do literally nothing. Banning may work in some cultures and not in others. It's not going to work in america. Watch the show!!

  The folks like fink who spout nonsensical information that reveal their ignorance of the matter are undermining a discussion about doing something that could actually improve things. See I'm not debating for either extreme pro gun nut or anti gun nut so don't say how I'm not debating well. I'm not debating at all. Just calling BS when I see it.

  Watch the episode and get back to me :)
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  If more guns = more death then where I currently live everyone should be dead lol
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  I can buy "semiautomatic military guns", as you call them, in Vancouver without a gun store as easily as I can rent a hooker without a hooker store. Easy. Maybe its a good thing but too many of you live in a good little law abiding citizen bubble. If were out there in the real real world you might see the world very differently.
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

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  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  So the next time a crazy terrorist or a wack job comes into a school and mows down a bunch of children , make sure you wag your finger at them telling them they are not behaving gun responsible, don't they remember the safety training they took.

  oh boy...smh

  Don't go outside fink, the sky might fall
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  Because they have very strict gun control. Something like 14 inspections or renewals per year.
  It's about balance and responsibility.

  eeeeeggggggsactly!
  no 2nd amendments

  no bans

  just control
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  Isn't that how it works in a perfect world?

  Very good. You have shown how complicated an issue this is clearer than I have seen on this forum to date. Thank you for not oversimplify the solution.
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  Is a set population safer or more perilously dangerous where there is the proliferation of personal gun ownership and distribution of guns and add in the sales of semiautomatic guns as well ?

  My short answer is it depends on the population.

  Switzerland is what? #4 on the per capita ownership?

  But where are they on gun deaths per capita? Pretty low?? (also deaths are generally suicide and "crimes of passion")

  In this one case it would seem responsible gun ownership has a bigger impact than just gun ownership

  just saying... I don't think two world cultures will be exactly the same.

  responsible gun ownership should be a priority and probably more attainable goal/initiative than an outright ban at this point
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  2nd amendment right ... where should it end?

  by Simon in

  1. social
  2. current

  one thing i like to do to test a theory is to take things to extremes or to their logical conclusion to see if the premises still hold.

  very often, a claim that seems to make sense at a superficial level falls apart when you start to stretch it a little.. so let's play a game.. suppose the 2nd amendment is valid, that some "well regulated militia" really is necessary to hold the government to account.. obviously when this was drafted the government had access to the weapons of it's day which would be muskets!

  so muskets all round.

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  freemindfade

  However states like California with very strict gun laws have very high murder/homicides by guns. The theory at first blush seems plausible however it is just that a theory. The numbers say otherwise.

  Chicago and New York are also good examples. You just as easily acquire this RPG everyone has been talking about as get a gun in the city limits of New York legally.

  Outside of highly sensationalized and emotional mass shootings most of the death by gun is going on in the inner cities where gun restrictions are highest.