freemindfade

Joined

• started 193 topics
• posted 5,163 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by freemindfade

• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  what you just posted is not what trump referred to.

  http://www.npr.org/2016/11/17/502402360/border-patrol-agents-union-confers-with-trump-on-securing-the-border

  I recommend reading this article from NPR with Brandon Judd about what the ACTUAL wall is and why there is any need at all. If that doesn't defuse your insistence that increasing border security is racism nothing will.

  U.S. Border Patrol agent Brandon Judd, who advised Donald Trump's campaign. Judd is head of the National Border Patrol Council, the union representing more than 16,000 agents. This is reality, all the alarmist SJW virtue flag waving going on is just exaggeration at its finest.

  I have given you actual evidence of how the wall is nothing more than increasing physical security along the border in certain areas, you have given me ZERO evidence for why it is "Hate".
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  Ok, so to sum up I asked you to intelligently explain to me the symbolic hate represented by the wall, and your response is:

  it's about appearance and you know that. Stop playing dumb.

  oh my and even after I quoted Brandon Judd: "We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."

  I think it symbolizes the hate you want it to, and not what it really is, just an increased security measure.
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  Azor, I am still waiting for you to intelligently articulate how the "Wall" represents hate?
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  To quote Brandon Judd, the head of the Border Patrol Union who supports the "wall", "We're not talking about a great wall of the United States. We're not talking about a continuous wall from California down to Texas. We're talking about a wall in strategic locations which then helps the Border Patrol agents do their job better."

  Sounds soooooooo much less sensational than the great trump wall of hate
  
  
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  canada vs mexico hmmmm....

  Well I know in 2014 Mexicans made up about 52% of unauthorized immigrants in America, maybe that is why? Also on the other side of the Mexican border is Mexico and central and south America, not to mention a pretty significant cartel problem in Mexico, with human trafficking and whatnot.

  How does most of Mexico see it

  What difference does that make? If you are breaking the law and someone stops you, you are not going to see it very nicely. No matter what we do most the countries in the middle east think we are the great Satan, do we need to do everything we can to make sure they don't hate us? I don't think we should agitate countries unnecessarily, but at the end of the day not everyone is going to like things we do, even when we are bending over backward to help them.

  I don't think you have explained to me how the wall is a symbol of hate? Azor, how is it a symbol of hate???
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  isn't a border a virtual wall? Not literal and tangible, but to separate land? Jurisdictions?

  I think most people Trump was trying to tap into with this wall thing are anything but racist against Mexicans. Could it be more logical that a person or family in America that is struggling inside the country to survive, and paying taxes WITHIN THEIR DESIGNATED BORDERS, are also supporting those who are breaking the law to benefit? I am not saying its a correct way of thinking, but it is what people think, and its not racist. The united states imposes taxes and laws on its own citizens, now someone who chooses to struggle to obey those laws, may resent someone (anyone really) who disregards the same law provider, in this case the United States.

  There are racists, always will be sadly, but the laws and borders are not racist, and the people sensitive about enforcing those things are not automatically racist either. No matter how badly you want them to be.
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  I agree the wall is a symbol, and it's one of hate.

  Please elaborate, and for the record, I am not keen on the wall idea, I think it's a lot of things, but "symbol of hate"? no. Explain to me how it symbolizes hate?
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  And when it comes to the countries like Iraq, we are thoroughly naive on how they feel about us in those countries
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  Again the issue is the wall, it's bigotry on display. If Obama tried putting up a naval blockade or a wall along Florida's coast I would be calling him and anyone that supported that a bigot as well.

  The 'Wall' is just a thing. More symbolic than anything. Something is illegal or it's not, we have gotten to the point where we judge a political figures bigotry on his willingness or energy to enforce the law. Trump has chosen border security as one of his campaign issues and now he is acting on it. That's pretty much the end of the story. The idea that he is the biggest racist since Hitler is blown way out of proportion.

  Why doesn't anyone step up and protest how poorly we treat our vets? we have a lot of other issues in this country that should come before our concern to protect someone who is essentially breaking the law. And I have no problem with anyone that does break the law, and comes and works or becomes legal or whatever, I have some dear friends who have done that, but I can't complain that a law exists.

  
  
  
• 
  236

  84 Lumber Commercial

  by azor in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just saw this commercial and was very impressed.

  hoping more companies start doing the same.

  most of us are immigrants.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  freemindfade

  Would anyone here be willing to admit that if (hypothetically speaking) Obama and Trump signed the EXACT same executive order the reaction would be different? If you say the reaction would be the same, you are intellectually lying to yourself and this is why the new crazy group think left has lost its collective mind.