Posts by freemindfade

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Atheist/Agnostic/Non-religious households are more moral than religious counterparts

by Coded Logic in

dr. phil zuckerman (professor of sociology).

my own ongoing research among secular americans - as well as that of a handful of other social scientists who have only recently turned their gaze on secular culture - confirms that non-religious family life is replete with its own sustaining moral values and enriching ethical precepts.

chief among those: rational problem solving, personal autonomy, independence of thought, avoidance of corporal punishment, a spirit of "questioning everything" and, far above all, empathy.. the results of such secular child-rearing are encouraging.

freemindfade

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

freemindfade

I hate when I bring up a science or archeology fact and its immediately dismissed by my spouse as just not true... On what grounds??? the cult mind hits its limiter and there is no where else to go, cognitive dissonance then goes into overdrive. These kids seem to have a very low bar for hitting the limit of what they know.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

freemindfade

I remember me and my childhood friend going rounds with trinitarians (looking back now this was a tremendous waste of time) but we were way younger than these guys and we could argue for days with strong conviction and ver feel antagonized lol. We knew our s%$t! But its all nonsense and the more witnesses are exposed to those that know the real truth, and the end keeps not coming, and science teaches more about our universe and ancient cultures, i guess its better for them to know nothing and run away. Public carts may be backfiring

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TO THE STUPID ATHEISTS:

by atheist_R_stupid in

being that this is not "ex jws" and in fact, more driven by atheists talking a bunch of crap, im not even going to address you people like you know anything about jws because you dont.

nor am i going to assume you know the bible because none of you do.. and yes, im speaking down at you all because you men have actually went out your way to make a site to speak down at an entire group of people.

yet i bet you cant even handle a single uswer talking down at you, like you talk down about jws can you?.

freemindfade

When a religious person says I'm stupid for thinking this way I'll take it as a compliment. Belief blinds intelligence.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

freemindfade

I feel bad for those kids, not because he is picking on them, but because the cult has given them nothing to stand on. They are ill equipped in a teaching of outdated ideas. Its sad. Its a lose lose situation. These poor bastards just want to rack up enough hours to get to be a Ministerial Servant so they have a hope of having sex eventually... I mean marrying a nice sister.

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Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

by OnTheWayOut in

you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

freemindfade

Could you imagine the old school russel and rutherford followers running off like that lol. I don't think so

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Phases of Mental Extraction

by freemindfade in

in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.

i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.

but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.

freemindfade

flipper

I agree with everything you said. So on point. I love stronger now, feel freer, I am happier than I ever was as dub my whole life. All this is with the prospect that this life we have might be all there is. I am way happier. Everyday I wake up I feel lucky, happy to be alive, to wonder and learn and experience. Nobody should ever not be their true self, this is why I believe now from my vantage point many many witnesses have mental illness simply from constantly denying who they really are, policing everyone else, living in a weird twilight zone of pride mixed with guilt. when I sit down at any meeting I really hear now the persecution complex being sold hard. The misery, oh the world, its horrible, we are all getting sick and old and dying and life is nothing but misery. Its blaring now how depressing it is to live listing and believing this.

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Feeling low

by campaign of hate in

jw
friends

christ, my mind feels f***ed.

there is so many layers of indoctrination and rules and regulations in this, whatever this is (religion?

cult?

freemindfade

You've been conditioned under the FOG model.
FearObligationGuilt
Try to take Blondie's advice and replace these with the opposites. Courage. Freedom. And no guilt.

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Thought I would introduce myself

by WateredDown in

jw
friends

i have read the site with great interest over the last few weeks.

some interesting stuff thats for sure.. i have left the jehovah's witnesses (was almost going to say the 'truth') for some time now.

i was one of the lucky ones that was baptised then faded, no humiliating disfellowshipping but nonetheless was very hard to get myself out.

freemindfade

Welcome. And remember about faith...
Belief is emotional not factual. Nice to have you.
fMF

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Phases of Mental Extraction

by freemindfade in

in only the short time i have been no longer lurking but also posting, i have discovered some people with situations and reactions very similar to mine.

i guess there are different ways people get out, some do something and are outright shunned, then they may find ttatt and stay out.

but there may be more and more like me, who are 100% mentally out, but for the reason of not losing spouse and family fade.

freemindfade

TTATTelder You are right, the phase part is really probably only in that detox part, the rest could go in any order or skip parts for some, but once you realized "this is a cult" and "they've got me because of my loved ones" thats where really the phases to come to terms happen.

helpmeout

You are 100% correct, play by your rules. When you get there all the tools they have to manipulate you fail, their mystery and power and control just wash away. I was ratted out for my bible doubts by my spouse. a while ago. Our family worship would turn into me questioning every bible verse and its logic as a whole. She took it as a personal attack on her. I was told my thoughts if I was honest were in confidence. Well she told the CO. so here comes the CO and a close elder to "encourage" (interrogate) me. I was so upset and betrayed sitting there looking at her crying after she said in order for me to be honesty it was between us. There was a time this would have worried the $#&@ out of me.

Now... I could care less. I don't need to get into bible debates with them, tell them all the bad things about the org, just tell them I am happy were I am at. And you know what. For the most part I am left alone.

Our indoctrinated subconscious somehow tells us that if do this or that we are going to have fire rain down from heaven on us, or the ground is going to open and swallow us up. Everytime you make progress extracting your mind from this and that doesn't happen, you get more and more peace.