Posts by freemindfade

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I Made the Literature Trolley Run Away Today - Twice

by cofty in

i popped into town this morning to buy an anniversary card for mrs cofty.

it is market day on a saturday and it's tourist season so the town was very busy.

here is a picture of the scene from a year ago... two cult carts were in their favourite place being guarded by none other than one of the elders who was on my judicial committee, his wife and another jw woman in her electric disability buggy.

freemindfade

Truth=fantasies

Lies=realities

Interesting.

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Ever wondered

by NoIdeaWhatToBelieve in

i was very hooked on the rc videos, really interesting to watch.

i started questioning stuff a couple of months ago.. however there is still a scenario that makes me wonder.

considering the israelites as god's chosen people and the kings as anointed, the bible shows many bad decisions the people made, including the rulers that were anointed.

freemindfade

It's good. Your doing the right thing. Can't wait to hear your story. Did the ARC have anything to do with moving you to join/read the forum?

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

freemindfade

It's not possible to have been one of Jehovah's Witnesses without accepting and believing that you are the target of a fairly insane conspiracy theory

That's what I was saying as well. To anyone who was a witness and accepted for a moment it as the truth, the apostates were out to get us in the name of satan.

What that means, to a witness, is the idea of truth outside of the organization becomes it's own conspiracy theory as you described it has become.

To a witness believing anything outside of the org is the truth is like believing in a fanciful conspiracy theory itself. So unless they give themselves permission to entertain the idea. They might never wake up.

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Ever wondered

by NoIdeaWhatToBelieve in

i was very hooked on the rc videos, really interesting to watch.

i started questioning stuff a couple of months ago.. however there is still a scenario that makes me wonder.

considering the israelites as god's chosen people and the kings as anointed, the bible shows many bad decisions the people made, including the rulers that were anointed.

freemindfade

Welcome my friend.

I personally do not believe the bible is the word of a supreme being, you still do so I will discuss not how I feel about the bible not being gods word but just about if god did have a chosen people.

Think about Jesus. He showed up on the scene to upset the current chosen people situation no? There are other examples in the bible where justice for corrupt ones was executed. Witnesses will take the David and Saul story and twist that into no matter what you have to follow the GB.

I suggest in all kindness and since you are new and we are happy you are here. Put down the bible for a minute and pick up steven hassans book on cults. Or crisis of concious and see how the organization has dealt with those who stand up for right like Barbara and Ray.

I look forward to getting to know you and hearing more of your thoughts.

Fmf

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"Brother Lett is like a big cuddly teddy bear!"

by purrpurr in

i had this said to me the other day by a jw who is fully brain washed.

it gave me shivers to think is that really how the r&f perceive the gb?

freemindfade

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FU2l-XU5cg

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Steven Hassan on The Joe Rogan Experience #680 podcast.

by dazed but not confused in

i listen to the joe rogan experience podcast and saw he just uploaded the latest episode with steven hassan.

i've so far only listened to the first 10 minutes.

they briefly mention the jw's.

freemindfade

Watching it now...

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More Inspiring Young Awakenings

by freemindfade in

i just found these vidoes on youtube, maybe you have seen them already, but i thought i would share.

these canadian kids for me are courageous and inspiring.

more excellent public examples of non vitrial apostate awakening.

freemindfade

latest from these canadian exjw sweethearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvUSoeDn3BI

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Won't get fooled again ...Moon Landing.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

so i was fooled by the witnesses.

what can i learn from that?

not to accept things at face value but to seek out opinion and different view points.. hence my question " do you believe man landed on the moon?.

freemindfade

Island man thank you, and I agree the evidence seems to point to the fact there was a moon landing, and I live my life believing such. There is a reoccurring idea that I hear that bothers me that is baseless and I am not picking on any one person, just in general. Vivi excluded. She deals in facts, and frighteningly well I might add.

I am not advocating believing conspiracy theories, but not being to harsh on the act of entertaining them if only to disprove.

It would actually have been easier to land men on the moon than to successfully fake landing them on the moon. Faking the moon landing with so many people involved and keeping it quiet would be a much more daunting feat than actually landing people on the moon.

This idea to me is absurd, especially to call it common sense. Its pretty broad and it assumes one major thing, everyone involved in such a "cover up" "conspiracy" etc, would have to know it was such. I think it is great to consider all the real evidence, to me the practice of deception is often much much less complex than we think. Anyone who has ever been privy to or involved in some large scale deception knows this and some other "conspiracy ideas" are not as far fetched as we make them out to be. The implications are much bigger than the execution. Ask any con artist. Deceiving people, even vast numbers is not not an out for entertaining a conspiracy.

I already mentioned the Manhattan Project. That was a secret project, dare we say a conspiracy of sorts for national security. Anyone interested I suggest do a little research on the staggering amount of people involved in he first atom bomb. Of course that conspiracy ended when they dropped the bomb, what was once a giant secret was out, and the intention was always to let that secret out.

Another example, something we all share, being a Jehovah's Witness. Lets not hang ourselves up on thinking that once got us in trouble. "How could 8 million good hearted people be in a CULT!" "Thats absurd." "how could so many people be involved in something untruthful". Well there you have it, most of here were. We weren't conspiring, but we lived part of a lie. Jehovah's Witnesses fall in my opinion, not into conspiracy but conspiracy theory definition.

con·spir·a·cy the·o·ry

noun

a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.

Jehovahs Witnesses undue influence is conspiracy theory to about 8 millions people, and completely ridiculous in their mind. To those in Conspiracy theory, to those out, TTATT.

Lets take one more that some of us may share in some way or another. The american cosa nostra. Or mafia. until 1960 the "Mafia" was a conspiracy theory. When Joe Velachi spilled the beans in the biggest rat move of all time, that all came to a stop. In the 50's you would have been mocking people for believing a high powered criminal organization was involved with the CIA, Big business, and government officials. Now its not a conspiracy theory, its history.

So what I am getting at is the attack on the size of the lie is a foolish debate. I am sure if i did a little more digging I could find more large scale deception examples.

You see I think it is healthy to entertain the idea the status quo is not what it seems. That doesn't mean that moon landings and 9/11 theories are right, but they help you see if you are biased because of the size of the lie, or group.

Jon Stewart said in closing of his show this week, "bullshit is everywhere" and I could not agree more, I have had many experiences I can't get into on here that have shown me that day to day life is built largely on "not what you think it is". I am not talking about illuminati, loch ness monster stuff, but much more mundane BS. They are not paranormal, they do not involved some mysterious secret society as much as just people that will do whatever it takes to get money, power, whatever, or just keep the system working. Most people if they knew half the crap in their lives that is built on lies they wouldn't be able to sleep at night, but people also feel the same way about god. For me its not that big of deal, because as Jon Stewart was also saying, much of bullshit is for good, and necessary to hold society together. ie; "what a cute baby... maybe someday it will grow into that head".

So not all bull shit is bad, or the illuminati making you buy JayZ albums.

But again the evidence always has to rule, just like in court, sometimes the evidence is also a guilty parties best friend if 1. it doesn't exist (in the court) or 2. its been faked. Anyone here ever forged a document? You made evidence.

Conspiracy theories are fun, they are too attractive too, like doomsday cults, its good to check them out, but we should not criticize those that do, just make sure they don't get off the train and stay too long on one that is not confirmed such as a moon landing hoax. We can challenge them with facts to help them move past it, but not call them brain dead for questioning the system/institution/status quo and so forth.

Don't get stuck in the rut of believing too much without evidence, but don't stop questioning everything,

Now if you guys will excuse me...