Here is my thing. Most of us. Especially born ins chose this fate before we were adults. Anyone baptized before 18 this should fall into a different space.
freemindfade
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Shunning legal since 1987
by TheWonderofYou inlegality[edit].
in june 1987, the united states court of appeals for the 9th circuit upheld the witnesses' right to shun those who fail to live by the group's standards and doctrines, upholding the ruling of a lower court, finding that "shunning is a practice engaged in by jehovah's witnesses pursuant to their interpretation of canonical text, and we are not free to reinterpret that text ... the defendants are entitled to the free exercise of their religious beliefs ... the members of the church [she] decided to abandon have concluded that they no longer want to associate with her.
we hold that they are free to make that choice."[99][100].
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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony
by jwfacts ini have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.
it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.
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I particularly like this bit from the back and forth
Q. Well, what you are telling me, as I understand it, is that your religion, your church, is prepared to interpret the Bible having regard to contemporary social attitudes and standards; is that right?
A. Obviously, your Honour, we need to take that into consideration, but the primary responsibility we have is to think what does Jehovah God mean by this, and we look at other scriptures. One of the problems that many folk have when they read the Bible is they take one verse and they assume it means something out of context or not in reference to other scriptures.This us a great set up for the two witness rule. That goes against what Jackson is saying here and they walked him right into it.
Paul will you be doing more off the ARC? Some of the other contradictions?
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Child Discipline, new article to address Jackson's Royal Commission testimony
by jwfacts ini have published a new article at watchtower corporal punishment, as a response to the testimony that geoff jackson gave at the royal commission.
it includes the relevant part of the transcript, along with a string of watchtower quotes to show that what he presented was not accurate, and that watchtower translates rod as a literal implement to hit children with.
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Any BOE Letters, Forms, Or Any Institutional Tools For Preaching To The Deaf Out There?
by freemindfade inany one know of anything?
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Wifi, that is pretty good, its geared towards already in persons though, anything specific on recruiting deaf ones? -
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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .
by nicolaou in.
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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.
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freemindfade
Your last statement there Simon referring to what ssc says is so true. Watch fox news. You'd think it was satire like the onion. Or Steven colbert. But people eat that cap up. People that love to be afraid. -
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Mass disassociation pact...
by freemindfade inany takers?
we can pick a date and pull the plug?
lol .
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Noted. New thread tomorrow. -
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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .
by nicolaou in.
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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.
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freemindfade
i agree with Cappy
I had an acquaintance we will call him, who purchased an AR15, semi auto, assault rifle. The state he was living in had very strict "cosmetic" restrictions on this gun. All of which were done away with by a few purchases on the internet. He also made another small purchase of a single part that he installed that made this a fully auto AR15, something that was extremely illegal in his state.
High capacity you need to really know what that means and were does it start and stop. The maniac in Oregon was shooting people execution style. he didn't need full auto (which is completely illegal most everywhere) or semi auto. A revolver or a regular semi auto pistol, you can cause lots of damage.
And cappy is also right about the places where the high numbers come from, the inner cities guns are virtually completely banned, and most the violence comes from illegal firearms. However the shootings like this one, and the spree shooting get the attention. Kids are shooting each other in neighborhoods of chicago, baltimore, new york, oakland, LA, and you never hear about it because they are poor kids in bad areas.
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Your Religion Is Dispicable
by freemindfade inhttp://www.jw.org/en/news/legal/by-region/world/jehovahs-witnesses-in-prison-2/.
the witnesses make reference to article 18 of the international covenant on civil and political rights, in reference to their not being able to practice their religion in certain places.
how despicable when (in my mind) their policy of disfellowshipping, apostasy, etc, causes them coerce members to keep this religion.
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freemindfade
Since the WTS is speaking about witnesses actually being imprisoned because of their belief, your arrogant and stupid comment to equate the two as being the same just shows how pathetic you people are. Especially when you’re trying to justify your own stupidity. Mark negative like any child should.
No! youre a stinky doo doo head, are we going there now? lol
Oh boy. Listen, I am sorry you are having such bad Cognitive Dissonance, I know it hurts. If the Witnesses were allowed to, not only would your wonderful man made leaders lock us up, they would most definitely have us killed. Stoning perhaps?
Even your piece of trash insight book has these things to say:
Under the Mosaic Law. For serious or deliberate violations of God’s law given through Moses a person could be cut off, that is, put to death. (Le 7:27; Nu 15:30, 31) Apostasy, idolatry, adultery, eating blood, and murder were among the offenses carrying this penalty.—De 13:12-18; Le 20:10; 17:14; Nu 35:31.
Fast forward to jesus day...
One who was cast out as wicked, cut off entirely, would be considered worthy of death, though the Jews might not have the authority to execute such a one. Nevertheless, the form of cutting off they did employ was a very powerful weapon in the Jewish community. Jesus foretold that his followers would be expelled from the synagogues. (Joh 16:2) Fear of being expelled, or “unchurched,” kept some of the Jews, even the rulers, from confessing Jesus. (Joh 9:22, ftn; 12:42) An example of such action by the synagogue was the case of the healed blind man who spoke favorably of Jesus.—Joh 9:34.Would you look at that! Sound familiar Mr Says?
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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .
by nicolaou in.
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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.
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freemindfade
What about a ban on using weapons in public places,
Not trying to be difficult, but when i read things like this, I really think outside the U.S. a lot of you may have a large misunderstanding of the gun laws that do exist in America. I appreciate your honest questions, but using guns in public places is really not a thing here. New York City for instance, it is basically impossible to even OWN a gun much less have one in public. In New York they will lock you up and throw away the key if they even think you have a gun.
To carry in some places yes it may be easier to get a license for that, still its not like you can just go buy a gun, put bullets in it and start walking around. That will get you server jail time here, they really don't play around with it.
I've been around guns in america illegally and legally, in rural areas and urban. I gotta tell ya guys its not as care free as the media makes it. Its really not a modern day tombstone.
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An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .
by nicolaou in.
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because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.
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freemindfade
The sheer amount of guns in this country makes access to them easier if one decides to commit a spree shooting, a crime, or is completely inept and irresponsible as this child's parents were. yes. As marvin has said there are overlapping issues, it is not one problem but many. When people say tighter gun control I often don't see how that will change america one bit, you may as well say all out ban, because realistically that is what would decrease (future) numbers of available guns. But restriction don't affect certain things.
Someone who gets firearms illegally
Someone who jumps through all the regulations and get one legally but is insane or irresponsible
Nothing I am saying should be interpreted as advocating one way or the other, just some clarity. Real information. Like I don't think its necessary that people have assault rifles here, and there is a perception that assault rifles are why we have gun violence, when really most death is from handguns, shotgun, or rifle.
There are multiple issues on top of one another, i saw something someone had posted that made owning a gun more like a car, it required a lot more responsibility etc. Thats great. its not going to stop the next person who wants to be America Next Spree shooter.
I loved the Oregon appeal to never mention the shooters name in the school shooting. All the spree shooters in america have a couple things in common, guns, yes, they were all also obsessed with the mass murderers that came before. Not guns, but with the violent actions and media deification that followed.
I will join you guys and say guns are overly accessible here. Especially by idiots. But we have that + other problems. And they should all be talked about together. As with all other spree shooters there were clear and present signs this guy was a dangerous nutcase.
Of course this was a different story, one of negligence. If guns were banned entirely yes that girl would be alive. Its senseless. How likely is there to be a ban like that here ever? probably not likely, even with all the restrictions in the world a tragedy like this will happen as long as there are stupid and irresponsible people on earth. If you say you can only have an old single action revolver or a single shot rifle, something bad is going to happen with it.
I want to agree that greater restriction are going to help. However in the case i don't think they would have come into play very sadly. You want to have a car its a privilege and part of that is the understanding you will follow the rules, when someone doesn't and people get hurt and killed, ultimately the responsibility rests on the driver for their poor choices.
Just trying to give a 30,000 foot view. America pays a price, you can see the highly publicized shootings here and numbers, but part of that price is more than JUST guns. Some of the most restrictive gun law areas of america have the highest violence. We need to be honest about all the issues.