Richard do some research on brainwashing. Some of the strongest psychological studies into the area weren't even with religions. It just so happens that some such as scientology, jw, etc employ the same systematic models for undue influence.
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Cult or Religion
by Richard C B inwhat is a cult and what is a religion?
its open to debate.
who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?
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Hello to everybody!
by John Free ini wanted to introduce myself.
like many of you i was born-in, am married with one child.
after 36 years of this cycle: doubts-thought stopping- suppression- indoctrination-cult mode i realised enough was enough.
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Hours will be going up
by pbrow injust got done watching parts of the october episode at jdub.broadcasting and it looks like the definition of "sacred service" is getting an update.
construction work, helping out fellow dubs, even helping out non-beliebers and opposers will soon be adding up to record progress for publishers... gett ready for a huge increase in hours being reported.... can you hear it now??
my how jw.org provides.... pbrow.
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Hey its only taken the JWS 100+ years to become christians... kinda -
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Hours will be going up
by pbrow injust got done watching parts of the october episode at jdub.broadcasting and it looks like the definition of "sacred service" is getting an update.
construction work, helping out fellow dubs, even helping out non-beliebers and opposers will soon be adding up to record progress for publishers... gett ready for a huge increase in hours being reported.... can you hear it now??
my how jw.org provides.... pbrow.
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freemindfade
I totally called it!!! I knew it!
As the hours went down they needed to find a way to keep it appearing higher!
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Cult or Religion
by Richard C B inwhat is a cult and what is a religion?
its open to debate.
who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?
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freemindfade
Mad Irishman, I think it has already been stated (I know I said it)
ALL RELIGIONS ARE IN FACT CULTS
But some excel at bad deeds, ie how you are treated for leaving. Witness are harmful, exercise undue control, and are coercive and dangerous.
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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freemindfade
Religious Hate Tax!! hahahah yes! pay to be an asshole, now we are talking
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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True. Unless they set some sort of promotion of intolerance and hate threshold and if crossed you are no longer recognized as a religion. You can still be an organization, but any benefits or recognition of religious status is taken away. -
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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freemindfade
While it may not yet cross the street to legal issue, it is safe to call it an ethical issue. For instance, and I am speaking from experience, choosing not to associate with someone who has spiraled to a point of absolute danger to them selves and others. having to take somewhat of a "intervention" approach and not enable them through self destruction (which doesn't mean shunning either). Just not supporting it.
But when you consider the worst part of witness shunning its not really someone who breaks a witness law like fornications and gets DF'd but still believes fully in their membership to the cult, but rather the worst part would be anyone who simply says, I don't want to be a member any longer. This is where you see the true intentions of this cult practice. Censorship and vilification/demonization of anyone brazen enough to leave. You are saying you become a jehovah's witness you have forfeited freedom of religion in their eyes.
The damages cause to someone simply wanting to leave, should start to push the line from ethics to legality someday I hope.
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Cult or Religion
by Richard C B inwhat is a cult and what is a religion?
its open to debate.
who has the authority to say for certain what is a cult and what is a religion?
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freemindfade
His comment that we have somehow proven it is not a cult to him is a simple demonstration of this cult mind protection mechanism:
An awesome video was posted here Richard and everyone should watch.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/505320002/explaining-cult-mentality
This may be one of the deepest and most critical things for an honest version of Richard to grasp. As a Jehovah's Witness you have been conditioned to put critics into a no-win position. Until something cracks this and gets inside, no proof, no rational, nothing will matter, the Cult will be right regardless.
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The right to shun - wrong?
by Simon inmany people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.
it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.
of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.
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freemindfade
I suppose the only way they could get away with it is some sort of recategorizing.
Like if you preach any kind of hate
If you promote intolerance
Discrimination
shunning etc.
Through written policies and published material
You lose certain religious privileges, such as tax exemption. yes there is freedom of religion and speech, but still why can't these groups be subject to not violating certain protected categories like you would in a work place?
In the end it would probably just result in a changing of language in literature, but the witnesses can twist it for days and still do it, they would just change the name of it and continue
