Posts by freemindfade

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Naziaphobe... Why Protect Ideologies from Criticism?

by freemindfade in

naziasm is an ideology... islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas... .

if i say "screw nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in islam?

freemindfade

What's your point bohm? Is religion something more to you than a bunch of man made nonsense that encourages people to be complete morons?

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Naziaphobe... Why Protect Ideologies from Criticism?

by freemindfade in

naziasm is an ideology... islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas... .

if i say "screw nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in islam?

freemindfade

The only similarity I am talking about is that they are both man made ideas

one we have no problem being ashamed of because it encourages genocide, homophobia and so on

the other we defend even though it encourages genocide, homophobia etc.

they are just ideas, bad ideas.

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Naziaphobe... Why Protect Ideologies from Criticism?

by freemindfade in

naziasm is an ideology... islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas... .

if i say "screw nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in islam?

freemindfade

Nazism was stopped by force, not reasoned arguments. Sometimes reason doesn't work - because you are not dealing with reasonable people.

I believe force will work against ISIS but the underlying rogue and tribal nature of Islam will allow some other movement to pop up in its place. Whether its a country or an Imam or a tribe.

The comparison to Nazism is interesting inasmuch as the National Socialists ran a campaign of fear and hatred of the Jews at a time when Germany was on the ropes economically. Sounds to me alot like the Republican Party today.

You missed my point, I only reason I use nazism is to illustrate that we are not afraid to bash an ideology, but somehow religion and especially Islam tries to get a pass by making criticism of the entire religion tantamount to bigotry.

I would point to the fact that in mostly prosperous, stable societies radical islamists are about as rare as right wing nutters that bomb abortion clinics or shoot up AAME churches.

Also i think every month that passes this tired argument that i once agreed with based on data is getting less relevant as attacks are legitimately increasing. It may still be the case, but it doesn't seem like it will stay that way.

And anyone who wants to downplay Muslim perpetrated terrorism should consider the globe, not just one place. take a scroll through this page. you can't compare this staggering worldwide violence in just the last 6 months to years worth of abortion clinic bombings, or one church shooting incident in america.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_January%E2%80%93June_2016

Also if you look at most abortion clinic attacks, they amount to vandalism. You really can't compare.

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JWs destroy archaelogical artifacts

by John Doe in

jw
friends

thousands of years old.

this makes my blood boil.. http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/jehovahs-witnesses-destroy-ancient-indigenous-temple-in-mexico-20160628-0009.html.

freemindfade

Says the site is over 7000 years old, maybe the fact that its age disproves the whole bible got to them. Idiots

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Naziaphobe... Why Protect Ideologies from Criticism?

by freemindfade in

naziasm is an ideology... islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas... .

if i say "screw nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in islam?

freemindfade

Naziasm is an ideology... Islam is an ideology... both encourage dangerous, ugly ideas...

if I say "screw Nazi's" no one is going to call me a racist, a xenophobe, or a naziaphobe.

Anyone is capable of snapping, or just being an ahole and committing atrocities, but why does radicalization work so well in Islam? Is it not that it is truly rotten at its core? Can someone be called radical for acting out a completely plausible interpretation of their religion? Can you subscribe to something so hateful, disgusting, and violent as the Koran, then be absolved yourself when one of its adherents commits atrocities based on it? "that's not really Islam..." actually according to the rule book it is.

You cannot kill ideologies with force. Isis is not a country, it may get beat down and run out town, but the ideologies that led to its creation are just as strong in the next group to take its place. over and over and over and over

If someone called you a Nazi the majority of mentally healthy normal people would be offended. its something shameful. Why isn't Islam? And for those who will compare all other religions faults, you are a few centuries too late, there is no systematic radicalization of Jew, or Catholics, scream all you want its just not happening. When the pope speak, millions of Catholics listen, who speaks for Islam? Can anyone tell me?

Just some things I wonder. I abhor ALL RELIGIONS, but I feel Islam is a special apologist case that will never allow itself to be reformed. As long as the "non-radical" adherents try to distance themselves from the "radical" adherents, there will never be reform. It is a HUGE religion, the fact that such an enormous ideology that includes world leaders, famous people, very rich people and so on cannot get things in order in its own house I feel says something about what the religion is at its heart. Evil.

Some crazy christian bombs an abortion clinic, they are outsiders, on the fringe of global Christianity. When terror occurs in the name of Allah, isis and islam, the radical are the insiders, at the core of the religion with no central higher voice to condemn what they do, just people saying "that's not MY islam"...

So called moderate Muslims are afraid to speak out because of "violent intimidation."

And every time somebody says 'Islamophobia,' it gives the people who are intimidating cover.

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

freemindfade

If the court gets a judgment whether or not they want to pay I think they can garnish the org. They may attach it to assets

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Judge sanctions WTS - $4k per day penalty for not producing sex abuse documents

by Simon in

judge sanctions jehovah's witnesses.

imposes $4000-a-day penalty for not producing documents in sex-abuse case.

by dorian hargrove, june 24, 2016. a san diego superior court judge has ordered the church of jehovah's witnesses, also known as the watchtower bible and tract society of pennsylvania, to pay $4000 a day for every day that it fails to produce documents requested in a civil lawsuit brought by former parishioner, osbaldo padron, who claims a church elder sexually abused him when he was seven years old.. in a june 23 ruling, expected to be made final today, judge richard strauss admonished the church for willfully ignoring a court order to produce all documents associated with a 1997 body of elders letter that church leaders sent to parishes around the world in a quest to learn about sexual abuse of children by church leaders.. over the course of the past year, the watchtower society and its lawyers have fought hard to keep the letter confidential, claiming that turning over the documents would infringe on the privacy of those mentioned in the letter that were not associated with the case.. in march 2015, the church turned over a heavily redacted version of the letter.

freemindfade

Someone said that's only 1.5mil a year. I don't think the beauty of this is in the amount. Its their willingness to throw away donated funds of any amount to cover their ass. Its the implications. I think they are delaying until they move more property because the flood gates will open with one lost case delay delay delay

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

I don't understand calling these perpetrators "lone wolfs" that might be the stupidist thing I've heard from apologists.

Radical Islam is a PLAUSABLE interpretation of how to practice this religion based on the Quran. End of story. If you are Muslim and go jihad crazy you are not alone but rather connected by this moronic book, not terrorist ties. They all worship the same ugly god and prophet

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I've been found out!

by pale.emperor in

well, thats it folks.. my identity on here has been rumbled and reported to the elders.

someone, somehow, has figured out that im a member of this site and - rather than speak to me - has promptly reported me to the elders.

i just feel sad for my daughter.

freemindfade

This religion makes me sick. They pat themselves on the back as champions of freedom of religion while denying it to their own members.

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Islam is a religion of peace (2)

by Coded Logic in

in behalf of the horrific events of saturday night, i just wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that islam is a religion of peace.

it doesn’t matter that the quran explicitly says that homosexuals should be stoned to death (7:84) - it’s still a religion of peace.

and it doesn’t matter that the scriptures say that all gay men should be killed (sunan 1:152) - islam doesn’t in anyway condone violence.. it doesn’t matter that every mainstream imam calls homosexuality a sin "worse the adultery" - it’s not a religion of bigotry.. it doesn’t matter that 61% of muslims in the uk think gay acts should be made illegal - islam has nothing against the gay community.. it doesn’t matter that countries with sharia law actively persecute the lgbt community - islam is all about peace and love.

freemindfade

Committing an act of terrorism is a plausible interpretation of Islam

Stoning an adulterer is a plausible interpretation of Christianity and Judaism

What do you still see going on?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/06/14/admit-it-these-terrorists-are-muslims.html

this is a great article by someone I think has very intelligent points.

It is time that we liberals took the fabled red pill and accepted reality. Just as this clearly has something to do with outdated gun laws, and just as those laws need reform, this also has something to do with Islam, which also needs reform today. No other stance makes any sense.

Muslim apologists undermine reform

JWS make a cartoon about gay marriage and we all jumped to criticize the hell out of them with good reason, also any other fundies that still preach the same message. In syria they are throwing gay people off of the tallest buildings they can find and we are too chickensh*t to insult islam.

I've said it before, I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!