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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Planned Parenthood has traditionally operated with the guideline of 16 weeks gestation until recently, when, for some reason they went to 19 weeks. Still.....that's far short of a viable pregnancy.

  Sorry, but no one has yet made the connection with PP and Gosnell. I am beginning to suspect (strongly) that this thread is just a blind for 'Obama derangement syndrome.' In which case, it has backfired. As usual.

  As for mamochan's excellent questions - I think the law can provide general guidelines, but many of these issues really should be left to a woman, her family and her doctor. And, rather than BS right-wing, fundamentalist abstinence education being taught in schools, we need better real-life, useful information in the curriculum.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Bull crap.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  I totally agree, James.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Update: 430.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  I just asked what PP's position was on the Gosnell case?

  Why not ask - "what is PP's position on ground turkey with feces? The West, Texas fertilizer explosion? The Bangladesh factory collapse - with nearly 400 dead"?
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  Then there is the category of being "ill-informed" - ie., the idea of the earth being spherical might seem to be "making stuff up" to someone who believes that the earth is flat.

  If you don't understand the fact that anti-abortionists have, for years, used every trick in the book to thwart Roe V. Wade - unconstitutional legislation, physical threats, psychological intimidation, up to and including outright murder (backing up threats with action) - then this information might seem so unbelievable as to be like "making stuff up."

  But - if you are fairly well-informed and aware of current events - none of this is new news.

  P.S. Is there anyone left on the planet who does not understand the difference between red and blue states?

  Red states and blue states refer to those states of the United States whose residents predominantly vote for the Republican Party (red) or Democratic Party(blue) presidential candidates.

  

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Red_state,_blue_state.svg
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  This is capricious and onerous:

  Judge Daniel P. Jordan III of Federal District Court found the argument compelling, writing, “Plaintiffs have offered evidence — including quotes from significant legislative and executive officers — that the act’s purpose is to eliminate abortions in Mississippi. They likewise submitted evidence that no safety or health concerns motivated its passage. This evidence has not yet been rebutted.”

  They have a right to work for the repeal of Roe v. Wade. Elected officials have a sworn duty to uphold the laws of the land, whether they agree with them or not.

  Still no dots being connected between Planned Parenthood and Kermit Gosnell.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

  where does planned parenthood stand on this case?.

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  BizzyBee

  So much smoke and mirrors here it's hard to know where to begin.

  Why is Planned Parenthood being injected into this case? In my research I have yet to find a connection between them and Gosnell.

  "We have consistently said that this is a horrifying and outrageous case, that Gosnell ran a criminal enterprise, not a health care facility, and that he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law," Eric Ferrero, a spokesman for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, told ABC News recently.

  Dayle Steinberg, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of Southeastern Pennsylvania has said:

  "Planned Parenthood strongly condemns the alleged actions of Kermit Gosnell, and we would condemn any physician or health-care provider who did not follow the law or recklessly endangered the health of others. Planned Parenthood maintains strict policies and procedures to ensure the highest standard of health care."

  Steinberg reiterated her criticism of Gosnell in an April 24 Philadelphia Inquirer letter to the editor:

  "Our staff told these women that issues of cleanliness should be reported to state officials. If we had heard anything remotely like the conditions that have since come to light about Gosnell's facility, of course we would have alerted the state and other authorities.

  "Nobody who believes in good health care, access to safe and legal abortion, and respect for women would ever look at Kermit Gosnell's facility and call it a health-care center. He preyed on women in their most vulnerable moments."

  http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/04/26/the-five-pretends-planned-parenthood-has-never/193804

  As for "increased government regulation" let's look at Mississippi, with one remaining clinic providing abortions for the entire state and that thanks to federal intervention:

  Gov. Phil Bryant, has publicly stated that he would like to see his state be “abortion-free.”

  The lawsuit brought on behalf of the clinic notes that supporters of the new law have publicly stated the broader intention to limit abortions. It cites Lt. Gov. Tate Reeves’s Web site, which says that the law “not only protects the health of the mother but should close the only abortion clinic in Mississippi”

  Judge Daniel P. Jordan III of Federal District Court found the argument compelling, writing, “Plaintiffs have offered evidence — including quotes from significant legislative and executive officers — that the act’s purpose is to eliminate abortions in Mississippi. They likewise submitted evidence that no safety or health concerns motivated its passage. This evidence has not yet been rebutted.”

  http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/02/us/judge-blocks-anti-abortion-law-in-mississippi.html

  Passing onerous and capricious regulatory legislation is typical in red states whose transparent goal is to drive abortion providers out altogether.
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  Kermit Gosnell, MD.

  by Glander in

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  he is accused of performing "abortions" after the birth of live babies.

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  BizzyBee

  Perhaps the ultimate irony of the right-wing’s imagined controversy is that — even in states where it’s not against the law to perform late-term induced abortions — Planned Parenthood clinics don’t provide that type of service. Many Planned Parenthood affiliates only perform abortions in the first trimester of pregnancy, when women can either take a pill or have a less-invasive surgical procedure. It’s actually the women who don’t have access to Planned Parenthood clinics, which are under attack across the country as GOP-controlled legislatures do their best to shut them down, who are forced to resort to dangerous, illegal, late-term abortion services like the ones described at the Florida hearing.

  http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/04/04/1824201/right-wing-fake-planned-parenthood/?mobile=nc
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  did any of you jW read orwells 1984 or Animal Farm

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  read them while you werre still active and didn't know ttatt yet?.

  i am wonderiing about your thoughts, and did you read, recognise, anything that disturbed you, familiariaties.

  did you notice them?.

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  BizzyBee

  Yes, read them both in high school, but was unable to see the connection. Re-read them again a few years ago, and the Botting's book (fascinating!).

  Also the movie The Village is quite striking in it's parralels.