Posts by Trojan

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Morning worship comment from Bethel

by Smoky in

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i received this email from a friend of a friend:.

'comments made by brother lett at morning worship today.. the comments were about the work we have of bearing witness of the truth.

" again, the angels make note of it.. we knock at the fifth house and again no one is home.

Trojan

How come angels dont care about the rest of the ppl in the world? How about all those ppl in the middle east and asia where virtually no one is ever visited by JW? No notes for you??!!

By, the way.....In one discussion here at Bethel about how to reach the middle east with the truth, Brother Swingle (Governing Body) said: "Forget about it, they are too closed....they will not hear the message." Bum. 2.000.000.000 people wipped off the earth....because too complicated to reach. Off the books, off the record, off those 'Angels notebooks'. ...Move on, we don't need good arabs, chinese at our happy Paradise party.

Here's the question: Let's say God had decided back in 1879, not to use Russell to deliver the truth to humankind, but some guy that comes from the middle east (because there is the craddle of humanity - according to Bible - and that's where the Lord touched ground to preach the Good news, etc.). The guy's name would be Hasan Yuusuf and the Watchtower would come from Saudi Arabia and be named something like "Watan Alkuds" (don't check on the words...). Here is the prize question:

"How many americans or europeans would have accepted the truth?"

Ok, maybe it would have been a stupid idea to put the world headquarters of truth in the middle east (for different other reasons). But, COULD IT BE THAT THESE PEOPLE DON'T ACCEPT THE TRUTH, BECAUSE WE HAVE "AMERICAN" written all over the stuff we print? (Look at the pictures, the ideas,...). It might be that 2 billion people don't get a chance, because of the wrong "strategy",......

Trojan.

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Hello, hope everyone is fine and dandy

by New Worldly Translation in

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hi dudes & dudesses,.

i haven't posted on here for a while, so i thought i'd say hi.. i left off visiting the forum last year cos i figured i needed to forget all about the jw's and re-invent myself and my life.

harder than i thought though as all my family are jw's and infuriating as they are, they're pretty much the only friends i have at the moment.

Trojan

Another british friend. I don't know you, but welcome back. I'm kinda new here....

....hope we can have interesting conversations going (and funny ones, as I need a good portion of humour to go on).

Trojan.

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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?

by VM44 in

running man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.

what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.

Trojan

but I remember the buzz around the stadium was that it was Satan who was cutting off the power and lights to prevent Jehovah's word from being told.

Naah, only some kids playing....like me.....you can call them little devils...but that's how far you get.....

......or was Satan playing on the heating system, too, to prevent some old dudes to get some decent sleep?

LOL.

Trojan.

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What was the purpose having Eight Day assembly?

by VM44 in

running man has posted his account of an eight day assembly from the 1960s.

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/109297/1.ashx.

what i would like to know is, what was the purpose in having eight days for the assembly?.

Trojan

Yeah, I remember as a kid we slept once in a rented sports hall (basketball or so) and everybody had to do their bed, mattress on the floor....it was a mans sections, woman and children had to sleep at another place (I had to go to the mens section with 12 years.........so I couldn't see all the sisters running around in sleeping clothes.....). At night you could hear all the farting and snoring......

.....I also remember that at one of those conventions, some other kid and me went on to play with some buttons inside some technical room (we where bored) only to find out the other morning that we turned off the heating system for the hall (in midst winter) and 200 brothers frooze their butts on the cold stone floor.......They where looking for the guilty ones, but never found out....

Trojan.

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Trojan

Bloody hell!
For the first time in my life an Elders actually agreed with me! ...Wow
Wait a sec you're not sucking up to me to get me to the memorial are you?

LOL, Dr. Jekyll, by all means: NO! I would need to go all the way down to Australia, to pick you up as a good JW you do these things for all the wonderfull new people they bring in under all kinds of reasons...

(I knew a sister that would go around and invite people to the Memorial, saying that it is "a feast for JW".....so these three guys show up, in Jeans, cowboy boots and long beards, expecting to dance, drink and have a good time: BIG TIME disappointment once they had to settle to one hour talk about 144.000 and don't even get to drink the wine! ).

Trojan.

(But maybe we could get together to discuss interesting points....and no, I don't want to see your porn collection....(well only if it is good))

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Trojan

I don't want to go about and "beat" truthseeker for offering an alternative point of view. Otherwise, this discussion becomes one-sided and non-objective. There must be people all along the spectrum of "colors" and "ideas". So here we are: differente people with different opinions. What do we do?

I think impossing ones opinion on others and doing so by arguments like "if you don't think like me, than you don't have morals, or don't have a conscience..." is a wrong approach!!

I can see truthseeker maybe (mostlikely) has had bad experiences, very bad memories about porn/marriage/relationships etc. Ok. I understand that.

But I can see that Dr. Jekyll and Mary have as valid points of view as truthseeker. How about this? It happens to be that I am an elder (still are) and I get to hear lots and lots of "confessions" that I would prefer not to hear, because I don't think people should come on their knees talking to an imperfect man as they are! But, I don't abuse my position and try to make them feel better and change their views on the whole "whip-me-I'm-a-bad-sinner"-concept.

I've got to hear about real life cases that go like this: wife was abused as a child, is now frigide (jw religion doesn't help at all, since it puts the sexual on the dark side of life, plus the poor bastard doesn't get to notice this because a typical JW doesn't get to know his future mate UNTIL they are married and the paper is signed.....that leaves space for big surprises after the glorious day!!! That is why I have told several witnesses (closer friends) that I believe the "wordly" system of: living together, get to know each other and than marry is the better system....now, I wouldn't say this from the platform, but to close friends that agree with me (they are elders, too!).

Now, here is our JW husband that gets sex once every 10 years, still loves his wife, understands that she's not up for the whole "whangle your dinkie" thing....so MOST of these guys start watching porn. What I call healthy, normal stuff.....(I strongly oppose kiddie porn and all the other unnatural crap that exists!)......it helps him to get over the "heated periods" in his life.....leaves wife in peace (they get together when she's ready for it)......everybody happy!! He's not going to leave his wife (as companionship, friendship, familiarity ARE values that most people appreciate EVEN if they watch Playboy!). He's not expecting here to get boobs the size of basketballs. PERIOD.

Is there the possibility that people like that exist? Oh, yes. I've met them. That is why I used the "iguana" picture in my other thread: place for everybody, here on planet earth.

Dr. Jekyll made a point on which I agree: WHO is going to put the rules? The JW have failed with they're prudish, victorian view of things. This is clear. WHO is next on the line to make the rules? I understand MOST people here have been burnt and get down the path of "my business". Good for them.

Gods point of view? Well, lets see if I can sum this up. First he allows siblings to have sex with each other (where did cain get his wife?), than he allows man to have multiple wifes, even their wifes employees (slaves! if you wan't the real job description), they can go about and f#@$ whoever is around, among them half sisters (Abraham and Sara), then they are allowed to have up to 700 wifes (Salomon, only thing that disturbed God was that they where foreigners, as for the rest: Ok.), then some guys in the Bible like Lot have children WITH THEIR DAUGHTERS (never got disfelloshipped for that one, did it twice...in modern JW days Lot wouldn't have a damn chance to get out of a judicial committe without getting his ass burnt! ) And finally, man has to have one wife again, but under circumstances can get divorced and separated (Jesus),.....now it happens that those circumstances are not very well explained and the JW have made a BOOK of rules that would make the pharisees feel ashamed.....

......WHAT A MESS!!! And you expect people to follow these wonderfull guidelines????? I cannot blame them for they're approach of "go ahead, take your decision and life with it"

Trojan.

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Entertained at Christening party by JW

by Fe2O3Girl in

on sunday, one my closest friend's daughter was christened.

after the church service, we went to a small party for about 40 family and friends.

at the venue i noticed an elderly gent wearing a tux, and realised i recognised him from somewhere, but couldn't place him immediately.

Trojan

In some countries/halls the guy would be sitting in a JC (performing magic/spiritistic stuff).....As a kid i always wanted to buy one of these "all-in-the-box" magical tricks, but the elders in the hall told my mother this is all satanic and evil.....

.......no playing around with cards, and definitely no watching magicians on TV......

.....how can he get away with it? Funny.

Trojan.

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Did You Lead A "Double Life"?

by minimus in

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i believe jehovah's witnesses are trained to learn how to live a double life.

we were trained to use subterfuge with teachers, the law, doctors and the courts.

we were trained in "theocratic strategy" .

Trojan

Nope. I never do that......

I guess writing at this board doesn't count towards double life..... It's my own theocratic warfare....

Trojan.

(Blast! My nickname doesn't help me on this thread.....)

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Trojan

truthseeker: I like a healthy discussion! I like it if people have their own opinions, since most of us here have come from a cult (as you correctly stated) that does not allow healthy discussions like this one. So different opinions are good, healthy, keep us stirring in our emotions and thinking...it draws us to think in other directions.....

......it could be that some of the porn-advocates get to think and maybe, yes, stop at a destructive way of living.

.....but it could also be that some of the porn-haters, stop for a moment and think and realize that other people are just different, as colorfull as nature that surrounds us.

I love animals. I love cats, they just amaze me! I think the egyptians had a point in worshipping them (I wouldn't do it, but I understand they're fascination with the feline). When I started traveling a bit, I saw for the first time in my life iguanas, and found them disgusting:

Well, in my mind they where.....but then some other people just love them. You accept them. They are part of the net of life. Maybe you don't get them as PETS, but you don't go around killing them en masse....

We have to admit, not all porn is bad. Looking at porn doesn't make you bad/evil as not looking at it doesn't make you good/holy. It only makes you human.

Then, not all IS porn in the first place. I accept some of your points, and yes I remember the different reactions to the Titanic scene: most brothers in our hall, fast-forwarded.....some others, took the dvd out and condemned it as evil and satanic.....some others (like me , liked the steamy scene in the car and found it was healthy erotic, normal human behaviour.........) Remind you: for many JW, this WAS ALREADY porn...

Trojan.

To all my fellow posters: Let's be fair and let truthseeker or others express they're opinion without bashing and ending conversations with "this was shit"...if it was shit, than make your point, why it was shit!

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"Help! my dad is watching Pornography" Cries of a JW teen.

by Dune in

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friends

as some of you may know, i'm still an active witness and i'm still in the planning stages of my "escape".

i met a sister at a district convention a year ago and i've been talking to her on aim for a while.

i think she is very amusing considering that she is very intelligent and often voices her views on the doctrinal falicies of the wtbs, but when its my turn to give my two cents she makes it seem as if i'm the only poztate.

Trojan

truthseeker: Let's make this clear. I'm not advocating porn and not saying it has wonderful results in EVERY marriage (than you see, this is what daystar is saying: humans are multi-color, not black-and-white, not greyshades....humans are complex and diverse).

I told you already I wouldn't jump eagerly on a discussion about pro/con porn as it is a wide field of discussion and if somebody is interested, they can go on and search the Internet on it, there are good sites that do a better job than this board in analyzing the deeper psychological roots/effects.

The point is: Should the girl call in the elders?

Even when married he still has FREE OWN WILL, he didn't give that one up by marriage....both mates still have tastes, likes and dislikes....he or she haven't become slaves of each other.....yes, that doesn't mean you can go about and do as you please and hurt your partner, but it also means that both partners have to understand each other.....but we are going off topic here.

I agree that great sorts of porn are disgusting and draw people to committ childabuse for one instance, but then the WT defines porn as ANY picture that shows naked skin.....if somebody looks at a plain naked woman, not having sex, no nothing. Just the human body as it is, it is defined as porn. Evil, and the person is a pervert that could end up disfellowshipped - cut off from relatives, and so on. I don't think this is the way to go.

If we follow your line of reasoning than we could as well end up with a neo-victorian view of ANY SEX being dirty and sinful (catholic churchs influence). Than you start picking up other topics as if a woman should wear this or that, show her neck, etc.etc. What do you do with the ones that are on one side of the scale or the other? Torture? Burn on the stake? Disfellowship and shun?

You see where this leads? A can of worms....by the way, again i agree that some practices degrade woman AND man, but remember that porn depicts both sexes, too.

But, stay with the topic: Should this girl go and hand out her father? Should she condemn her father as being a pervert?

Trojan.