Posts by scout575

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Some scripture you will hear on 21 May at very many churches

by A Paduan in

i no longer call you slaves,.

because a slave does not know what his master is doing.. i have called you friends,.

because i have told you everything i have heard from my father.. it was not you who chose me, but i who chose you.

scout575

A Paduan: You say:

1- "They ( Ananias and Sapphira ) lied to the Holy Spirit." Then you ask: "Why do you say that they didn't obey Jesus absolutely?" Isn't 'lying to the Holy Spirit' a case of not obeying Jesus absolutely? Can a Christian be regarded as obeying Jesus absolutely if he 'lies to the Holy Spirit'?

2 -"They ( Ananias and Sapphira )...died...could have been cardiac arrest." Double, fatal heart attack? Really? At Acts 5:9,10 Peter says to Sapphira: "Behold the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and SHALL carry thee out. THEN fell she down straightway at his feet....dead." According to this, Peter KNEW IN ADVANCE that she would die. If she died of cardiac arrest, how would Peter have known IN ADVANCE that that would happen to her? The implication of this story is that Peter was somehow informed by heaven that heaven was about to execute her.

3 - "Maybe they died SPIRITUALLY." It couldn't have been that because verse 10 says that she was: "BURIED" alondside her husband. Are SPIRITUALLY dead people buried?

4 - "They themselves ( men )" mete out the "everlasting punishment" foretold at Matthew 25:41,46. Really? Who is foretold as having this role at 2 Thessalonains 1:7-9?: "...The LORD JESUS shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power." Clearly, Jesus is portrayed as the great heavenly executioner. This passage predicts that he will inflict, "everlasting destruction" on "them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus." That doesn't sound too 'friendly' to me.

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Some scripture you will hear on 21 May at very many churches

by A Paduan in

i no longer call you slaves,.

because a slave does not know what his master is doing.. i have called you friends,.

because i have told you everything i have heard from my father.. it was not you who chose me, but i who chose you.

scout575

A Paduan: Who are the "men" that "gather" those who "abide not" in Jesus, and who "cast them into the fire" where they are "burned"? ( John 15:6 ) Do these "men" do this against Jesus' will?

What ( according to the story ) happened to Jesus' friends Ananais and Sapphira when they didn't obey Jesus absolutely ? ( Acts 5:1-11 ) Was it "men" who executed them, or was it their 'friend' Jesus?

What does Jesus say he will do to people whom he doesn't regard as his friends?: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into EVERLASTING FIRE, prepared for the devil and his angels....and these shall go into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT." ( Matthew 25:41,46 ) Is it "men" who mete out this "everlasting punishment" to those aren't favoured with Jesus' 'friendship', or is it 'friendly' Jesus?

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Some scripture you will hear on 21 May at very many churches

by A Paduan in

i no longer call you slaves,.

because a slave does not know what his master is doing.. i have called you friends,.

because i have told you everything i have heard from my father.. it was not you who chose me, but i who chose you.

scout575

A Paduan: There's no denying that you've quoted a very nice passage - John 15:15,16. If we look at the context, however, we find that thats not quite as nice. In verse 14, Jesus says: "Ye are my friends IF ye do WHATSOEVER I COMMAND YOU." Jesus' 'friendship' is dependant on absolute obedience to him. What happens to those of his "friends" who stop being absolutely obedient to him? Does he just withdraw his 'friendship'? No, In verse 6 he says: "If a man ABIDE NOT in me, he is CAST FORTH as a branch, and is WITHERED; and men gather them, and cast them INTO THE FIRE, and they are BURNED." Jesus' message is: Do as I command or else....

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 21-05-06 Church Sermon.

by scout575 in

"but when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily i say unto you, ye shall not have gone over the cities of israel till the son of man be come.

" ( matthew 10:23 ).

"for the son of man shall come in the glory of his father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

scout575

"But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel till the SON OF MAN BE COME." ( Matthew 10:23 )

"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which SHALL NOT TASTE OF DEATH, till they see the Son of man COMING IN HIS KINGDOM." ( Matthew 16:27,28 )

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.....Verily I say unto you, THIS GENERATION SHALL NOT PASS TILL ALL THESE THINGS BE FULFILLED. ( Matthew 24: 30,34 )

Apocalyptic cult leader prophesies falsely.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 14-05-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"but a certain man named ananias with sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, but his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

but peter said , ananias, why hast satan filled thine heart to lie to the holy ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the field?

( acts 5:1-3 ).

scout575

Shining One: I don't necessarily see a problem with quoting single texts from the Bible. It certainly isn't something thats exclusive to the WTS. I often see religious posters outside churches that have single scripture quotations on them ( they do tend to be 'nice' verses from the NT, though ). Of course, the NT itself is full of examples of single scripture quotations from the OT, see Acts 13:41; 15:15,16; 23:5; 28:26,27 etc.

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"Raw Abandonment"

by scout575 in

"i continued to pray and seek the face of god, but nothing happened.

why didn't god help me?

i am begging for spiritual help.

scout575

A Paduan: To answer your question: What spiritual help? Please check out the full testimony of the above poster. I have given details of how to find it in my reply to Shining One.

As for your point about,"Bible-believing church", being a broad term, I have to agree. Perhaps the kind of thing that I'm getting at is characterized by the following comment I read on a Christian message board recently. It was made as part of a thread regarding the Da Vinci code: "Sadly, in the LAST FEW REMAINING MOMENTS before CHRIST'S RETURN, the DEVIL is going to do anything he can to MISLEAD PEOPLE." My weekly quotes from ex-Christian message boards are directed at JW 'lurkers' who may be considering joining a church that preaches this kind of message.

If someone I knew were considering becoming a JW, I would encourage them to read ex-JW message boards. Similarly, if someone I knew were considering joining a Bible-believing church, I would encourage them to read ex-Christian message boards. Of course, just as someone considering becoming a JW may read JWD and decide that its just 'apostate' propaganda, so too, someone considering joining a Bible-believing church may read, ex.Christian.net, and decide that thats just 'apostate' propaganda. The choice is theirs, all I can do is encourage them to read those message boards, which will hopefully lead to their making a more informed choice about something that might have such a significant impact on their lives.

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"Raw Abandonment"

by scout575 in

"i continued to pray and seek the face of god, but nothing happened.

why didn't god help me?

i am begging for spiritual help.

scout575

Shining One: The above quote is taken from: ex-Christian.net. You will find this poster's full testimony in the section entitled: 'Testimonies of former Christians', and is on the first page of that section. The title of his post is: 'From Fissure to Abyss'. If you read it, you will find that it sounds completely genuine ( as do all the testimonies ), and nothing like the post of an ex-JW 'troll'.

You will find many testimonies on this site from ex-Christians who were clearly genuine, heartfelt Christians. To say that they were never 'proper' Christians in the first place reminds me of the words at 1 John 2:19a: "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us."

How much trust should be placed in this statement? The preceeding verse says: "Little children, it is THE LAST TIME, and as ye have heard that anti-christ shall come, even now are there many anti-christs; whereby we know that it is the LAST TIME." Maybe the same amount of trust should be placed in the claim of verse 19, as should be placed in the claim that nearly 2000 years ago, it was the "last time."

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"Raw Abandonment"

by scout575 in

"i continued to pray and seek the face of god, but nothing happened.

why didn't god help me?

i am begging for spiritual help.

scout575

"I continued to pray and seek the face of God, but nothing happened. Why didn't God help me? Why? I am begging for spiritual help. I am not begging for a car, or food or anything material, I'm begging for spiritual help. It did not come. I have had trials before. I have even had spiritual "deserts" before. This was raw abandonment.

I have seen God fail other faithfuls also. People who I had known very well. Knew their hearts, their works etc. As leaders we promoted and talked about the ones who said that they succeeded spiritually. But from the platform I always saw the utter despair in the eyes of the ones sitting in the pews out there whom God didn't answer."

The above quote is taken from an ex-Christian message board. If you are a Jehovah's Witness considering joining a Bible-believing church, please spend a lot of time reading ex-Christian message boards and websites, to get the other side of the story of the much vaunted 'power' of Christian prayer.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 14-05-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"but a certain man named ananias with sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, but his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

but peter said , ananias, why hast satan filled thine heart to lie to the holy ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the field?

( acts 5:1-3 ).

scout575

Shazard: The problem with the warnings that God is depicted, in the Bible, as giving, is that he warns people against being killed by HIM. He is like a husband who says to his wife: "Please don't hurt my feelings, or you will leave me with no option but to kill you." Yes, the husband has given a warning, but he hardly deserves to be applauded for it.

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Scriptures You Will Not Hear at the 14-05-06 Church Sermon

by scout575 in

"but a certain man named ananias with sapphira his wife, sold a possession, and kept back part of the price, but his wife also being privy to it, and brought a certain part, and laid it at the apostles' feet.

but peter said , ananias, why hast satan filled thine heart to lie to the holy ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the field?

( acts 5:1-3 ).

scout575

Shining One: You Say: "Have you ever actually read any Biblical passages in context or did you never unlearn the JW taught habit of single Scripture exegesis?"

I wonder if you would have made the same comment had I have posted three 3 'nice' verses from the New Testament?