RE: to pickled.. Worst case? It's interesting, when i first started really mentally pulling away I convinced myself that it would hurt others if I left, and it wouldn't hurt me to stay. So by my own reckoning of what was "good and right" I couldn't hurt others on purpose if I could avoid it. Now the scales are starting to tip. Meetings are painful and I have stopped service all together. Others are starting to notice. I am probably just delaying the inevitable. Worst case really comes down to my mother and father crying, thinking they have lost their son, causing the whole family pain that I think I should be able to avoid causing them.
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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You're probably right. Wishfull thinking.
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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If I had money... I would buy an old factory in every major city in the US and convert it to loft space for young people trying to escape the religous clutches of their parents.. (mormons and amish also). I mean face it your 18 with little education and little prospects it is hard to get out. I think esp for the girls. Thanks for the words of advice. Wouldn't it be funny if WTBS found and erased all of us at once and it turned out that most JW's were faking for the sake of their freinds and family? Suddenly US participation dropped to null. Thats what I want to find, there are a few in my family that could be faking and I just don't know them well enough to tell. It would be a relife to set up a group and find that my father was only faking for the sake of his kids, and that us kids are only faking for his sake.
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Atheist in U.S. poll 4% ------ Atheist on JWD 90 % ?
by caliber in( one recent post indicated this 90% figure) .
i don't wish to debate the pro's and con's of atheism, just help me understand your personal.
reasonings for this huge difference in figures.
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I think Spook has a point. If you are taught all your life that you are the only one with truth and then find fault with it then suddenly no one has truth... = atheist.. When i decided that i didn't really believe I felt strongly atheist. But it was a reaction more than a rational thought. Now I am not so sure and have settled on "I don't know". Hopefully permanently.
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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Thanks for the map. Very interesting looking for people I might have known. And thanks for the workds of encouragement pickled. Though being honest with myself I should take some blame. I knew in my heart when i was baptized that i didn't really believe it. I knew when I got married that I didn't really believe it, and i knew everytime someone asked and I answered "YeS!" that i didn't really believe it. So some of the blame does come back to me. Though your right I shouldn't add guilt to a stack of feelings that is already depressing me. It is just so stupid. "No one truely believes in God until they have the freedom not to believe.." (Someone smarter than myself said that.)
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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You make a good point pickled. There is of course no guarantee that they wouldn't rat you out facing the fear of their own expulsion. I know I wouldn't but that doesn't mean that others wouldn't. I suppose it depends on their motives for still being in. And what kind of collateral you had on them. (IE ratting me out wont garnish you any favors with your JC since what I have on you is sure to get you expelled regardless...) I suppose ultimately I am just lonely. I have friends among the JW's and among my workmates, but don't feel like anyone really knows me. Honestly my own fault.
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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It would be interesting even just to do a google map.. With way points on the city where people are.. Also would really show the scope of how many are falling away.. It would really make me happy to see a map full of pinpoints all people who have left the truth..
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New York Times June 22, 1918
by Nathan Natas in================ text version below ==========.
20 years in prison for 7 russellites.
judge howe scores men who.
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In the old Revelation book it mentions that Rutherford and his gang of crazy kids were "exonerated" off all charges. Which was wrong.. Recently when they started studying the revelation book again they released a list of "adjustments" to be used in conjunction with the old book.. (shows the budget crunching instead of releasing new books they just sent this list to everyone). One of the "adjustments" was that the charges were "dropped" not that they were "exonerated" which makes a huge difference. I was wondering with all the great scans and such that you have found if anyone has seen press releases relating to their release from prison?
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Stuck in the "Truth"
by IMustBreakAway ini notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in".
perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat.
or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on jw parents for support.
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Just curious.. I notice from comments posted that many here who post (and untold scores who lurk) are still "in". Perhaps their social / family circles are too constricted for freedom of mind, and or, they are too afraid to rock the boat. Or too young to strike out on their own and are dependent on JW parents for support. I am in that position myself. I haven't the balls to leave my family behind nor, the brains to convince them to leave without being shunned myself. So my question is this.. Has anyone setup a secure site where those of us still "stuck in the truth" can reveal ourselves to each other. Perhaps with some sort of collateral (a video denouncing the WTBTS or jacking off into a watchtower or something.) so that we are all equally guilty and won't "tell on" the other people we find. Just would be nice occasionally to wink at someone I see at an assembly or "GASP" perhaps even in my own congregation that might be posting here incognito..
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How Do You Respond To: "Where Else Will We Go"?
by minimus inwhen scared jws even think about leaving the organization, they often wonder where they'll go to instead.......any responses?
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I said it should be plainly obvious. If it isn't, than perhaps there is no "truth" to be found. The person will have to exercise their own judgment.
This made me think of a quote I read somewhere recently. It was something to the effect of, "No sane rational person can honestly believe that they had the good fortune of stumbling into/being born into the one true and only true faith in the entire universe." For some reason that quote really hit a chord for me. Yet more than just JW's believe it.