It has well been documented that the current U.S. administration, along with others, already were formulating plans to invade Iraq BEFORE 9/11.
I for one, would appreciate seeing this documentation. Care to share it, since it is so well documented?
DakotaRed
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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article
by DakotaRed insince some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .
tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.
no, do more than remember.
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So, That's What We Pay the Bozos For
by Robdar ini can't get the page to embed.
here is the link and a copy.
http://msnbc.com/news/883853.asp.
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DakotaRed
For me, I will not buy anything from France!
As for the war debt from WW2, they refused to pay it long ago. No reason to believe they will honor it now. And, with us being the most dangerous rogue nation around, we will go to their rescue again, if need be and will get shafted by them again.
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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article
by DakotaRed insince some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .
tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.
no, do more than remember.
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As I see it, many Americans see a lot of 'American bashing' when there is nothing more than criticism.
Referring to America as the most dangerous rogue nation on the planet is nothing more than "criticism?" I hardly think so.
What grates with many people is that America is quick to dismiss the thousands and millions that die each year, in part because of it's policies.
America, more than any other nation, shares it vast wealth with others. After WW2. with the defeat of Germany and Japan, they were not set up as puppet nations, but given freedom and democracy, even to the point of currently disagreeing and oppossing us. What other nation has pledged $18 billion dollars in aids research and treatment to Africa?
You seem to speak a lot of America's policies, but I never see any documentation of them. Just hollow claims. The anti-semitism coming out of Europe over supporting Israel, one of a small handful of democracies in the Middle East, is deafening lately. It's little wonder that Hitler was able to massacre so many during the holocaust.
America is far from perfect, but I fail to see trying to give others the freedoms we enjoy as a bad thing.
The weapons inspectors who are actually there are saying totally different things such as "no evidence of any Nuclear weapons" etc ... The thought that they are trying to fake the reason for the war is bad enough.
Try reading the written reports, not just the transcripts of the oral reports, sometimes. They are available on the UNs website and reveal much, as well as raise questions to me, like why Hans Blix doesn't speak of the finds, but buries them in the written reports.
Finding totally intact bombs filled with biological agents buried is hardly "faking a reason for war," in my book. Refusing to account for other known weapons is another. The discovery of undeclared pilotless drones could be another.
After 10 / 12 years ... why the rush?
Waiting 12 years is a rush to war? Should we wait until we discover he actually has all the weapons by unleashing them on a neighbor? Or, would it be alright with Europe if they were only unleashed against Israel?
I wil take seriously President Bush's promise to rid the world by whatever means of terrorists, when he turns his attention to Northern Ireland where terrorism and its accompanying trauma is a daily routine.
Are you calling for America to be the Worlds Police Force? Northern Ireland is hardly a world threat. But, I happen to agree and believe terrorism should be dealt with worldwide, including white supremacist groups in the US too. First priority must be given to those who a threat to the world, then to those who are a local threat and personally, I am ashamed it took Septemeber 11 for America to get involved in the world fight against terrorism. I am glad we finally have a leader with the guts to try to eleminate it.
The important issue is not what Sadam has done in the past, we all know his history - the important issue is NOW. Does he have these weapons now? If so they should be dealt with, if not sanctions against his people should be lifted.
As I said above, many weapons have been unearthed in various quantities, but the mention of this is buried in the written reports, not in the oral reports. Check the UN website and read it all for yourselves.
As for NOW, evidence is there, much which cannot be shared publicly. With the refusal to account for known weapons, he has not shown evidence that they were destroyed, as agreed to 12 years ago. If he had shown them destroyed, the sanctions would have been lifted long ago. To just lift them could be suicide, without the proof he really destroyed them. That is what the ispectors are there for, to verify the destruction, not to unearth hidden weapons.
Backing off now would encourage him to continue in his quest for weaponry and yes, given his history, he would undoubtedly use them against his neighbors. If Saddam were an honorable man, maybe more trust could be placed on his regime, but he has shown himself not to be.
The real answer is for Saddam to disarm, but given the mood of the world placing so much trust in him and so little in Americas determination to disarm him, he sees the support for him. If the world stood together andd emanded he disarm, the sanctions would already have been lifted and war could be averted. A show of determined strength is what Saddam understands, not protests.
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Interesting UK Daily Mirror Article
by DakotaRed insince some consider the us to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, i find this article from the daily mirror to be quite intersting.. .
tony parsons - uk daily mirror september 11, 2002 no matter what your views on president bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an english journalist, is very interesting.
no, do more than remember.
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Since some consider the US to be the most dangerous rogue nation currently and others have stated we are little more than corrupt thugs, I find this article from the Daily Mirror to be quite intersting.
Tony Parsons - UK Daily Mirror September 11, 2002
No matter what your views on President Bush's statement of upcoming war, this is from an English journalist, is very interesting. Just a word of background, for those of you who aren't familiar with the UK's Daily Mirror. This is a notoriously left-wing daily that is normally not supportive of the Colonials across the Atlantic.
ONE year ago, the world witnessed a unique kind of broadcasting -- the mass murder of thousands, live on television. As a lesson in the pitiless cruelty of the human race, September 11 was up there with Pol Pot's mountain of skulls in Cambodia, or the skeletal bodies stacked like garbage in the Nazi concentration camps.
An unspeakable act so cruel, so calculated and so utterly merciless that surely the world could agree on one thing - nobody deserves this fate. Surely there could be consensus: the victims were truly innocent, the perpetrators truly evil.But to the world's eternal shame, 9/11 is increasingly seen as America's comeuppance. Incredibly, anti-Americanism has increased over the last year. There has always been a simmering resentment to the USA in this country - too loud, too rich, too full of themselves and so much happier than Europeans - but it has become an epidemic. And it seems incredible to me. More than that, it turns my stomach.
America is this country's greatest friend and our staunchest ally. We are bonded to the US by culture, language and blood. A little over half a century ago, around half a million Americans died for our freedoms, as well as their own. Have we forgotten so soon? And exactly a year ago, thousands of ordinary men, women and children - not just Americans, but from dozens of countries - were butchered by a small group of religious fanatics. Are we so quick to betray them?
What touched the heart about those who died in the twin towers and on the planes was that we recognised them. Young fathers and mothers, somebody's son and somebody's daughter, husbands and wives, and children, some unborn.
And these people brought it on themselves? And their nation is to blame for their meticulously planned slaughter?
These days you don't have to be some dust-encrusted nut job in Kabul or Karachi or Finsbury Park to see America as the Great Satan. The anti- American alliance is made up of self-loathing liberals who blame the Americans for every ill in the Third World, and conservatives suffering from power-envy, bitter that the world's only superpower can do what it likes without having to ask permission.
The truth is that America has behaved with enormous restraint since September 11.
Remember, remember.
Remember the gut-wrenching tapes of weeping men phoning their wives to say, "I love you," before they were burned alive.
Remember those people leaping to their deaths from the top of burning skyscrapers.
Remember the hundreds of firemen buried alive.
Remember the smiling face of that beautiful little girl who was on one of the planes with her mum.
Remember, remember - and realise that America has never retaliated for 9/11 in anything like the way it could have.
So a few al-Qaeda tourists got locked without a trial in Camp X-ray? Pass the Kleenex.
So some Afghan wedding receptions were shot up after they merrily fired their semi-automatics in a sky full of American planes? A shame, but maybe next time they should stick to confetti.
AMERICA could have turned a large chunk of the world into a parking lot. That it didn't is a sign of strength. American voices are already being raised against attacking Iraq - that's what a democracy is for. How many in the Islamic world will have a minute's silence for the slaughtered innocents of 9/11? How many Islamic leaders will have the guts to say that the mass murder of 9/11 was an abomination?
When the news of 9/11 broke on the West Bank, those freedom-loving Palestinians were dancing in the street. America watched all of that - and didn't push the button. We should thank the stars that America is the most powerful nation in the world. I still find it incredible that 9/11 did not provoke all-out war. Not a "war on terrorism." A real war.
The fundamentalist dudes are talking about "opening the gates of hell," if America attacks Iraq. Well, America could have opened the gates of hell like you wouldn't believe.
The US is the most militarily powerful nation that ever strode the face of the earth. The campaign in Afghanistan may have been less than perfect and the planned war on Iraq may be misconceived.
But don't blame America for not bringing peace and light to these wretched countries. How many democracies are there in the Middle East, or in the Muslim world? You can count them on the fingers of one hand - assuming you haven't had any chopped off for minor shoplifting.
I love America, yet America is hated. I guess that makes me Bush's poodle. But I would rather be a dog in New York City than a Prince in Riyadh. Above all, America is hated because it is what every country wants to be - rich, free, strong, open, optimistic. Not ground down by the past, or religion, or some caste system. America is the best friend this country ever had and we should start remembering that.
Or do you really think the USA is the root of all evil? Tell it to the loved ones of the men and women who leaped to their death from the burning towers. Tell it to the nursing mothers whose husbands died on one of the hijacked planes, or were ripped apart in a collapsing skyscraper. And tell it to the hundreds of young widows whose husbands worked for the New York Fire Department.
To our shame, George Bush gets a worse press than Saddam Hussein. Once we were told that Saddam gassed the Kurds, tortured his own people and set up rape-camps in Kuwait. Now we are told he likes Quality Street. Save me the orange centre, oh mighty one!
Remember, remember, September 11.
One of the greatest atrocities in human history was committed against America.
No, do more than remember. Never forget.
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Watch Blair squirm
by Simon inhe's not doing very well with a very small group asking questions (itv) .
dodging questions ... doing that "rabbit in the headlights" lost look.
tv interviewer is p*** poor (much too respectful) ... where is paxman when you need him!
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DakotaRed
It amazes me how true leaders irritate some so much. Leaders do what is right and not bend to whims of some people. Followers follow the popular path in hopes of pleasing those who vote for them so they get voted in again and let the world and the country go to pot. Then, a real leader has to come in and try to clean up the mess and catches hell.
Like them or not, Bush and Blair are true leaders, not followers. Doing the right thing is not always the popular path. If governments always followed the popular path, there never would have been a Civil Rights Bill in the US.
It simply amazes me that so many of you seem to feel Saddam is a peace loving guy.
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Al-Amiriya...The Ultimate Mistake From The Last Gulf War
by ISP infriday, october 4, 2002. shrine to victims of tragic error.
wreaths, flags, prayers mark place where hundreds of civilians died.
seattle post-intelligencer foreign desk editor.
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DakotaRed
Am I reading you all correct? You all think Saddam Hussein is a good guy and a peaceable fellow?
I agree, some of you are being spoon fed propaganda.
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Pic of my grandaughter and mommy
by LB in.
i was just e-mailed this photo.
i don't think it's that good as both of them are lots better looking that this, but it's a picture.
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DakotaRed
No wonder you smile so much, LB. Very nice picture.
Lew W
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DakotaRed Has Been Spoiled
by DakotaRed inas many know, witchywoman came to visit me this past week and returned home today.
all in all, it was the most wonderful 4 days we have both spent in a very long time.
having her with me was very comfortable and felt so natural.. i cooked meals everyday, to impress her of some of my other talents, of course .
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Hmm, third pic didn't seem to show up, so I'll try again.
Anita and Lew, well, you know. Oh Yeah!
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DakotaRed Has Been Spoiled
by DakotaRed inas many know, witchywoman came to visit me this past week and returned home today.
all in all, it was the most wonderful 4 days we have both spent in a very long time.
having her with me was very comfortable and felt so natural.. i cooked meals everyday, to impress her of some of my other talents, of course .
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Lew and Anita
At my daughters with the grandsons
Anita and Lew, well, you know. Oh Yeah!
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Why does the USA ignore the terror of Israel?
by back2dafront inhttp://www.devo.com/mideastlog/
they shoot children, don't they?
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DakotaRed
1881-1924 2.5 million Jews flee persecution in Eastern European.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/pale.htmlMany migrate to the United States, fewer migrate to Palestine, which is then ruled by the Ottoman Turkish Empire.
1917 British and French forces occupy Greater Palestine. British Government issues Balfour Declaration, promising a Jewish state in Palestine.
http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dt00Arab riots of 1921, of which the Haycraft Commission declared was instigated by Arabs, and as Arabs were the majority, inflicted the most casualties. 47 Jews killed with 140 wounded.
1922 League of Nations (precursor to the United Nations) and the U.S. Congress, respectively, endorse Balfour declaration promising a Jewish state in Palestine. In 1923, Britain alters the size of the promised Jewish homeland.
http://www.israel.org/mfa/go.asp?MFAH0dt101929, the Hebron massacre, 67 Jews murdered
1936, the British Peel Commission concluded that Arab-Jewish coexistence was impossible and recommended partitioning Palestine into Jewish and Arab areas. The Jews accepted the principle of partition while the Arabs rejected it. From 1936-1939, the Arabs in Palestine revolted against British rule.
1939, Britain issues White Paper reneging on its promise, as expressed in the Balfour declaration, for a Jewish state in Palestine. It was also Great Britain's change in policy toward Palestine, especially in the White Paper, that disallowed millions of European Jews unable to escape from Nazi-occupied Europe to Palestine.
1933 – 1945, The Holocaust; Arab states and leaders join with Nazi Germany.
1947, UN approves plan to partition Palestine; Jews accept partition, Arabs reject partition and prepare to oppose partition plan by force.
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/part.html1948, Creation of the State of Israel. United States is the first country to recognize the newly reestablished Jewish state. Immediately, five Arab armies invade fledgling state.
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/invade.htmlEnsuing war produced about 500,000 Arab refugees, most of whom fled their homes at the urging of Arab leaders.
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/refuge.htmlNearly 750,000 Jews living in Arab countries are persecuted and nearly all are forced to flee to Israel, where they are accepted.
http://www.jajz-ed.org.il/100/maps/refs.htmlWith virtually no protest from Palestinian Arabs or international observers, Arab countries occupy lands reserved for a Palestinian state.
We also have the 1956 Sinai War, the 1967 Six Day War, and the 1973 Yom Kippur War, not to mention the murder of the entire Israeli Olympic team in 1972 in Munich Germany by Arabs and several artillery shellings from Arabs prior to the Yom Kippur War and numerous suicide bombings since.
While I don’t see Israel as entirely innocent in all respects, I can understand their dismay with the Arabs and much of the world. Please note, it isn’t the Jews who have vowed to rid the region of Arabs, but Arabs who have vowed to do that to Jews.