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Will You Ever Be Really Rich....Quiz

by LB in

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/so/quizzes/rich.shtml .

i took the test and it claims i will be.

i'll be called lucky but i'll be rich.

DakotaRed

LOL, LB. Have they been peeking through my monitor?

"You're not born rich and you're not born lucky either. You're modest (too modest at times) and need to develop your talents if you want to make a fortune. Problem is, you tend to be so busy with the practical stuff life throws at you that you miss out on some fab opportunities. Keep your eyes open and your ear to the ground or one day you'll end up more broke than you are now! (Yikes.)"

As I often say, I am too broke to even pay attention.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Did Jesus have a BEGGINING?

by gumby in

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in a thread called" can any jw answer this" by jerome, alan f had stated that the term.

everlasting to everlasting applied only to the god of israel.

he could find no scripture in which this term applied to jesus.. i found some good info.

DakotaRed

Oh Rev, don't tell me you fell for that old Isaiah 9:6 misinterpretation! Why do you all have such a problem believing Jesus himself?

Jesus "becomes" the "Eternal Father" to ONLY those that exercise faith in his ransom sacrifice. John 3:16 reads: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." (RSV)

We also read in Anthony Buzzards book, "The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's Self Inflicted Wound," page 76, quoting Raymond Brown, "The "Mighty God" of Isaiah 9:6 does indeed mean, as defined by the Hebrew Lexicon, "divine hero, reflecting the divine mystery." It is precisely that same Messianic sense of the term "God" which allows the psalmist to address the King as "God," without inviting us to think that there are now two members of the Godhead. The quotation of Psalm 45:6 in Hebrews 1:8 brings that same Messianic use of the word God into the New Testament. We should not misunderstand this very Jewish use of titles. It is a serious mistake to think that the Messiah has now stepped ito the s[ace reserved for the One God, the Father. However exalted the position of Jesus and despite his function as God's representative, the strict unipersonal monotheism of Israel's faith is never compromised by any New Testament writer."

Starting on page 85 of the same book, we read," As for the expression "Eternal Father," the title was understood by the Jews to mean "the father of the Coming (Messianic) Age." The Greek (Spetuagint) word for 'eternal' in this case need not convey the idea of 'forever and ever,' 'for all eternity' past and future, as we normally understand it, but contains the concept 'related to the (future) age. Truly Jesus, the Lord Messiah, will be the parent of the Coming Age of the Kingdom of God on earth until "all thngs are subjected to him. Then the Son himself will be subjected to the one [God, the Father] who subjected all things to him [Jesus], that God may be all in all.' (i Corinthians 15:28) It was widely recognized by the Jewish community that a human leader could be called father. Isaiah states of a leader in Israel: 'I will entrust him with your authority. And he will become father to the inhabitants of Judah and Jerusalem.' (Ia. 22:21)"

Now, instead of reading into scripture what triitarians wish werea ctually there, why not just accept Jesus at his own word? He calls the Father "the Only True God" at John 17:3. If he too were God, how is this possible? At John 14:28, he tells us, "The Father is greater than I am." At Mark 12:29, he tells us that there is but One God.

Believe as you wish, but for me, I choose to believe Jesus himself and take him at his word!

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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lager , lager , lager.

by sleepy in

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so what do you drink, where and how?.

of course in britian we drink our pints down the pub.. i have to laught when i'm in europe as they only drink tiny glasses of beer , when you ask for their equivalent of a pint they look at you as if you are some nut case.. anyway i usually get through a couple of bottles of wine and several pints of larger a week.i drink most nights but not too much.. is it true that the legal age for alcohol is 21 in the states?.

i remember celabrating my baptism at 17 with a few pints in the pub.

DakotaRed

I can't speak for the other European countries, but the beer poured at the fests in Germany were anything but small. To me, a light weight American, a liter stein of beer is a lot of beer.

Nowadays, I can buy a six pack and it will take close to a year for it to be drank, and then mostly when the son-in-law comes over.

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Luke 24:39

by FrankRaven in

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i discovered something,when i mention luke 24:39,witnesses denie that christ had flesh and bones.they say that christ came back as a spirit.when i do mention that christ said himself that he wasn't a spirit in that passage,they denie that it's there.i wouldn't believe that they would say that unless i saw it myself.so i truly believe that many witnesses have been blinded by the god of this system(satan).there is just no other explanation.. revfrank

DakotaRed

Personally, Rev, I think many religionists of all religions have been blinded by the god of this system. As to denying that Jesus had flesh and bone, obviously, he did. Even their Reasoning book states so. But, it also mentions that earlier, angels had materialized flesh and bone bodies to be seen and such. In verse 37, Luke relates that the disciples thought they were seeing a spirit, a ghost if you will, since they knew Jesus to be dead.

I see this verse as an assurance of the resurrection, showing that we can indeed be brought back to life.

However, could Jesus have remained flesh and bone to enter Heaven?

RSV 1 Corinthians 15:50 I tell you this, brethren: flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Gawd! I hate it when I sound like I am defending the dubs {:)]

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Did Jesus have a BEGGINING?

by gumby in

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in a thread called" can any jw answer this" by jerome, alan f had stated that the term.

everlasting to everlasting applied only to the god of israel.

he could find no scripture in which this term applied to jesus.. i found some good info.

DakotaRed

Dakota, much of what you said and quoted has to be looked at from the Trinitarian view point of Jesus 'full-man/ full-God theory to see why he spoke of himself in a subjective sense.

Hi Gumby. Stop and think that you had to be taught that Jesus was the "full-man/full-God" theory. Why? Becuase it just isn't in the Bible. One thing I have been trying to do lately, is look at the Bible from the Jewish perspective, since the majority of it was written by ancient Jews. Even though converts to Christianity, they still had a mindset of the Jewish people.

But, to take Jesus' words and twist them to justify a triune theory that is readily found within Plato's writings denigrates Jesus' very existence, to me.

RSV Matthew 4:10 Then Jesus said to him, "Begone, Satan! for it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God and him only shall you serve.'"

Satan knew both Jesus and God, since he too was an angel and traveled back and forth between heaven and earth. Yet, here he is tempting Jesus. Could Satan even tempt God to worship him? If Jesus were also God, how can he say that another is the only onw to be worshipped?

Yes, I know that at places Jesus accepted worship, but here you get into a discussion of the Greek word, proskuneo, which I understand to really have no English counterpart that fully conveys the various meanings of the Greek word. According to Vines, it is also used in relation to men, beasts, the dragon, Satan etc. So, I see the "obeisance" given Jesus as different than the worship given God.

Like I earlier recommended, go to Amazon.com and order a copy of "The Doctrine of the Trinity, Christianity's Self Inflicted Wound," by Anthony Buzzard and Charles Hunting. They have researched the doctrine quite deeply and although both taught the trinity as fact for many years, they have come to realize they were deceived.

Good reading.

Lew

Here is a lkink to Anthony Buzzards web site. He has lots of articles he has written about the trinity and such. However, I must also warn you that he doesn't believe in the preexistence of Jesus as an angel.

http://www.mindspring.com/~anthonybuzzard/

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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exjw terminology

by Marilyn in

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i get a lot of laughs from the deviations that you guys come up with.

some one from the uk started calling it the troof, which cracked me up.

the other day i saw kingdumb hall.

DakotaRed

I always liked referring them as Jehobos. Another one I liked was when an elders wife thought his position carried through to her, she was then an elderette.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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Am I allowed to Post Here?

by U.2.K. in

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i decided not to join the witness 3 months ago(for personal reasons) i dont want to join no organization, not either churchs,.

i feel alot better to preach the truth and live by the laws & commandments and survive this last century(last days) by myself, along with my girlfriend... .

i love the witness, they are the only ones, who tell billions the truth.. 40% of my bible(kingjamesversion) information, i got from the witness, the rest i learn by myself, thanks to jehovah(yahweh) & the wonderful armageddon messiah(king jesus)...but i feel kinda alone on the internet going around helping and preaching jehovah'god & jesus word, because as it is written, in the last century, millions will turn away from the truth- 2 timothy chapter 4 verse 2 .

DakotaRed

U.2.K Quote,
"In the future(Dec 2002) I plan on changing the World"

After September 11, I would be very careful making such bold statements on a public forum. Why not let all of us in on your plans and you might find out your plan is unbiblical, unless you and your girlfriend are getting married.

Otherwise, post away and let's see what you got.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

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1939 Booklet

by DakotaRed in

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i just received a box of old literature and in it is a booklet dated 1939 and written in a foreign language.

i have been unable to come up with what language or any translation of it from the translator sources i have, even though it looks norwegian to me.

it is titled "herredommet og freden.

DakotaRed

Thanks. I posted it on kents site as well, but haven't heard anything yet. The Norwegian translator online doesn't recognize it. Maybe it is an older version of Norwegian, I don't know.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?

1939 Booklet

by DakotaRed in

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i thought i posted this once, but haven't seen it show up.

if it does come up twice, simon, please delete one of them.. as i figured, it did show up.

simon, please delete this one, if you please.

DakotaRed

I thought I posted this once, but haven't seen it show up. If it does come up twice, Simon, please delete one of them.

As I figured, it did show up. Simon, please delete this one, if you please.

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1939 Booklet

by DakotaRed in

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i just received a box of old literature and in it is a booklet dated 1939 and written in a foreign language.

i have been unable to come up with what language or any translation of it from the translator sources i have, even though it looks norwegian to me.

it is titled "herredommet og freden.

DakotaRed

I just received a box of old literature and in it is a booklet dated 1939 and written in a foreign language. I have been unable to come up with what language or any translation of it from the translator sources I have, even though it looks Norwegian to me. It is titled "HERREDOMMET OG FREDEN."

Anyone who recognizes this booklet or the language and can direct me to a translator, your help will be greatly appreciated.

If God's Spirit is filling a Kingdom Hall, how is it that Satan can manuever the ones within that Kingdom Hall at the same time?