has anyone ever posted about the tons of time magazine articles about the jws?
time has been around forever and has been a 'witness' (pardon the pun) to much of their history .. clear back to the 1930s.
go to the time website and search for yourself!
Truthsearcher,
Good Find.
mellifluous "Judge" J. F. Rutherford, denounced most human institutions, especially the United Nations. Cried he: "Display outright fearlessness of this world conspiracy. . . . God's vengeance is speedily coming against all conspirators."
Uninformed
looking back, honestly, do you think you ever really loved jehovah??
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When I was in prison for the draft in the 60's, I studied the Bible really hard and during that time, I developed a profound love for Jehovah. Over the years, the love tended to lose its intensity, but I do love him deeply and now very much too. But, I never did experience again that first 'love' as a result of so much personal study.
I love him enough still to figure he has everything figured out and in control, regardless of what it looks like from here.
I do get upset with him. I have been upset with him over the whole issue of religion. If the Bible was just written more plainly, it seems that a lot of this crap could have been avoided.
All this doctrinal crap makes me crazy.
ad infinitum.
Brant
the feb 1st wt has a banner headline on the cover "must we always tell the truth" - inside it says (p1) "' i hate lies and i hate being lied to" exclaimed a 16 year old girl" ... so , o.k.
we must expect that anyone printing such things must themselves be absolutely honest and truthful .. so why do they use misleading quotations that are, practice, nothing short of lies?
many have been documented but this one came my way recently while using another thread .. the book "let your kingdom come" has an appendix dealing with babylonian and jewish chronology .
I wish I had it handy, but remember the "quote" that the WT used in 91 regarding the UN and churches, something like...'No less than 24 Catholic Organizations have associate with the UN..."
They were quoting a guy who wrote this in a book, name Muller I think and in his writing he said "...as NGO's... regarding the association of the 24 Catholic Orgs.
Sorry I'm not sharper tonight. Ask Blondie, or someone with some sense.
Brant
i havent been around here for a couple of years but i wondered if anyone would be interested in commenting on the information given at the web site: http://www.lawphil.net/judjuris/juri2003/aug2003/am_p-02-1651_2003.html.. it is extremely long but i found it interesting.
it concerns jehovahs witnesses living as man and wife without being married.
in the philippines there is no divorce so a witness cannot remarry unless they get an annulment which is extremely expensive and beyond the reach of most fillipinos.
Link,
I heard of this back in the 80's, seems like there was a letter on file about it.
Some countries don't allow divorce on any grounds, even adultery, so the WT has tried to establish a way that persons can be "married" in a religious sense though not in a legal sense.
I think some countries that are heavily influenced by the Catholic Church would be the most affected.
Brant
what "thing" could happen to make someone decide to leave the organization for good??
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It took decades for me to leave, during which all but the last years I was an elder.
The 95 WT change on generation really cut me deeply, as during my youth, I had made a deal with myself that if they ever moved away from 1914 that I would quit. They were sly on this one, but I knew what they were doing.
During the 80's all the "faithful and discreet slave" bull crap really depressed me. Sometimes I would actually scream and cry.
The neutrality change in the 90's hurt me deeply too, as I went to prison in my youth for the sake of neutrality.
Finally, the day I actually quit believing was the day I read the following WT, even thought I was a P.O. at the time:
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w978/1p.11ServingLoyallyWithJehovah’sOrganization***God’s earthly organization today is far superior to the Jewish system with its temple. Granted, it is not perfect; that is why adjustments are made at times. But neither is it riddled with corruption, nor is Jehovah God about to replace it. Never should we allow any imperfections we perceive within it to embitter us or move us to adopt a critical, negative spirit. Let us, rather, imitate the loyalty of Jesus Christ.—1 Peter 2:21.
I resigned in 2001 and tried hard to continue going, wondering what Jehovah was doing, but finally in 2005, after communication with the BOE and the WT Governing Body by letter and meetings, I quit.
The final straw was at the June 2005 District Convention when the Bethel Speaker (Loesch) stated, "We need to give our full allegiance to Jehovah's Visible Organization. I didn't say amen to that prayer, and left the assembly, NEVER ONCE GOING BACK, AND NEVER WILL.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Brant
i'm not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but here are the figures for the 2006 service report.
i highlighted the countries that have either a "0" or negative growth in yellow and i highlighted key countries where the you would expect more growth......i tried looking for england's stats, but i couldn't see it.
i looked under "england" and "united kingdom" but i can't see it.
Gumby,
Go for it. It is the only reason in the whole wide world to be a Witness, and I'm sure you'll spread seeds of discontent carefully, everywhere you go.
There is no other reason to be a JW.
End of story.
Brant
it has been a long time since i posted here... hope everyone is well.. quick favor... can anyone post or email me the sheet music for song #15?.
and, if anyone has a large copy song book they wouldn't mind giving up it would be most appreciated.
i could arrange shipping... just drop me a pm.. *hugs*.
Im kind of an old geezer, but I could figure it out maybe.
MSN doesn't ring a bell with me.
I have a scanner, but it is out for a couple more days getting fixed.
I run windows xp and use yahoo as my home page.
I also know where the post office is. Could just send it to you.
Brant
it has been a long time since i posted here... hope everyone is well.. quick favor... can anyone post or email me the sheet music for song #15?.
and, if anyone has a large copy song book they wouldn't mind giving up it would be most appreciated.
i could arrange shipping... just drop me a pm.. *hugs*.
Hey elsewhere,
Looks like there are two of 'em. One for each?
Brant
it has been a long time since i posted here... hope everyone is well.. quick favor... can anyone post or email me the sheet music for song #15?.
and, if anyone has a large copy song book they wouldn't mind giving up it would be most appreciated.
i could arrange shipping... just drop me a pm.. *hugs*.
this is for the us crowd, what state do you live in?
or from?----i live in tennessee, but from ohio and kentucky.
1961---Prescott AZ
1963---64--Albuquerque, NM (south valley cong)
1965--66--Denver (cherry Creek cong)
67-68---Prison (Tucson, AZ, Mt Lemon, Springfield, MO released)
69-70--North Little Rock, Jacksonville, and Newport, Arkansas
71-77--Aurora, MO
78--80--Gladewater, TX
81-86--Austin, Texas (Allendale cong)
87-89--Republic, MO
90-96--Luling, Texas
97-2000---South Austin and San Marcos
2000-2006--Kansas City, Ks
These are just the places I've lived since becoming a witness at 15 years old. Before that lived in Gila Bend AZ and Napa Calif.
What a life?
Brant
