Posts by wozadummy

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Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

by wozadummy in

i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

wozadummy

Thanks for all the replies, it was encouraging to hear others feelings are similar to mine and I am following new boys threads with interest and that is what probably prompted me to talk about my experience at a Bethel.

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April 1, 2007 Craptower---All About Obeying 'The Slave'

by Mary in

i've just been looking through the latest garbage literature in the above mentioned wt.

both study articles are on obeying the governing body, although the second article is more on obeying the elders.

losing your grip there a little bit fellows?

wozadummy

Mary said,

Par. 12 is moving in an obvious direction. To say that the WTS doesn't believe in the Trinity, the lines between obeying Christ and obeying the "Slave" are becoming more blurred all the time: "....Therefore, when we loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slaveand it's Governing Body, we are submitting to Christ......Our showing due respect for the instrument Christ is using.....is one way in which we openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father."---Philippians 2:11 (Funny, when you read Phil 2:11, there's absolutely no mention there about obeying any "slave")

How is it that people "loyally submit to the direction of the faithful slaveand it's Governining body" ? They are here giving a distinction between two groups ,even iff the GB is part of the faithful slave this submitting to the faithful slave is a lie for perhaps half of them are women and have no rights as overseers and the other half are men and not all are capable of being elders or choose not to or are too old! AND WHEN ARE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THIS FAITHFULL SLAVE EVER CONSULTED BY THE GOVERNING BODY AS TO HOW THE BIBLE IS TO BE INTERPRETTED? If one of them took exception to what the GB says ,and persisted ,they would be disfellowshipped in their congregation by Elders who are not evenpart of this faithfull slave and who are sheep following the faithfull slave .That's like the sheep attacking the shepherd and killing him because they did'nt like the commands that came from the shepherds mouth!

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Australian Bethel Visit - I have to get this off my chest

by wozadummy in

i was baptized in adelaide south australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and i , along with our small children decided to go to the bethel in sydney new south wales as part of our holiday one summer.

we camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.. when we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .we setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block i spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly.

he then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .. of course i jumped into witness mode as i was full of "the spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and i knew i should not persue this any more - i feel so stupid now but i'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!.

wozadummy

I was baptized in Adelaide South Australia in 1983 and around this time my first wife and I , along with our small children decided to go to the Bethel in Sydney New South Wales as part of our holiday one summer. We camped along the way as we travelled the coast road from Adelaide and had a really interesting time and when we got to Sydney we decided to stay at a caravan camping ground right near Bethel ,so we did not have to travell far the next day for our visit there.

When we pulled in to the park and went to register at the office the two people in charge seemed to be very strained and distant when we spoke to them .We setup our tent and unpacked to settle in for dinner and on the way to the shower block I spoke to someone there for a few minutes and remarked that the people who ran this park did'nt seem too freindly. He then pointed out why, that day a man had killed one of his family and everyone felt nervous and upset because of this .

Of course I jumped into Witness mode as I was full of "the Spirit" not being long baptised ,but just got a blank stare and I knew I should not persue this any more - I feel so stupid now but I'm sure some here can relate to this blind faith enthusiasm as a chance to witness to the great god of the printing presses and think we can help heal all the troubles of the world!

This is the first part of a two fold experience because this was an upsetting experience and what followed the next day proved to be a disturbing experience too.

Remember this next day we were all going to Bethel on what was supposed to be an uplifting pilgrimage ,if you will, but what happened at Bethel the next day haunted me the rest of my witness days and even now, though now I probably understand more as to why I felt disturbed for all those years.

In the morning we got up and showered and dressed in our witness clothes and I was disturbed by what had happened at the park the day before ,but here we were going to gods house and we had extra reason to be glad to be witnesses did'nt we? All feelings of depression would disappear now as we were going to the holy Bethel and life is good right?

Wrong ,from the outset when we met the girl to guide us I had this terrible feeling of darkness,depression, overbearing weight closing in on me while the half awake guide told us about this and that . "And this is the MEPS computer for enabling gods people to translate for our literature much quicker blah blah.." and all I could see was piles of half openened boxes of computer gear lying untidily on the floor thru a window of a passageway with no lights ,and it certainly did'nt look like the brothers were enthusiastically putting all this brilliant software that the brothers had written and the business world was clamouring to get hold of to good use - no - all the hype we were told about it came crashing down in a heap at that moment and left me a bit perplexed. But we moved on and looked about and were invited to have a meal with Bethel family and it just felt cold ,and business like but without any smiles and getting complascent looks over the tables at us as if they were enduring us there.

I remember saying to my wife how I felt really uncomfortable there and could'nt wait to get back to our camp ,and that even in the Navy I had'nt felt that oppressive feeling of authoritarian pressure and judgemental weight and un happiness from the people there. Rather than feeling refreshed by being there , I felt worse now compounding the terrible news of what had happened the day before at the park .Things like this which should have served as a warning as to what I'd got myself into in that religion but I was to an extent already trained in thought to dismiss these gut feelings and reason it away as though it was actually me who had the problem.

All the time I was a witness thereafter I would never look forward to a CO or DO visit and would avoid any responsibilities as far as a MS could do because I could feel that feeling at Bethel always come back to haunt me ,I just felt there was always something wrong here. I did of course talk to them and over the years and witness with them, some CO's and DO's would even seek my advice on circuit and congregational issues for they would,nt get much help from some of the dickheads running the congos for they never shepherded and were completely out of touch with the needs of people. Well that's it ,did anyone else feel these things when visiting or staying at a Bethel? The murder at the park was a bad experience but it did not affect me as much as what happened at Bethel, I just mentioned the murder to contrast the feelings I had which were much worse at Bethel ,is'nt that something?

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You've got to see this site

by Zep in

jw
friends

http://www.intrex.net/tallyman/the_list.html .

this site is a riot.

heres a taste of judge rutherford!.

wozadummy

Zeps quote

Sorry, i dont mean to make a joke outa the JW religion...its obvously a very serious issue with some here...to discover that what you thought was probably isn't.I just read a post from a Guy in OZ and about when he was waiting on the 1975 deal to come through in October or thereabouts only he really couldn't give a SH'T by then since his Father ended up dieing in his arms from brain hemmorage in May that year....kinda sobers you up readin that stuff!He was against all the 75 hooplah in first place too! OMG the guy he here is referring to in Oz was a teenager in Adelaide and his father who died was named Adrian ,and if this is the same guy ,I studied with Adrian in 1974 at their home for 3 months ,my first wifes mother was a sort of witness and told me "nobody knows the day or hour" .So I asked Adrian if he thought Armaggedon was coming in 1975 ,and after dodging my question for a while he admitted that it would happen in Oct 1975 ,but I remembered what my mother in law said and ended my study with Adrian for good and he died not long after ! He was a lovely man though ,but I stupidly became a witness later on and always thought it would be nice to see him in the Rez. I heard that his son had left the org and met his mum at an assembly years later and she seemed real lonely...so sad. I wish I could find that post Zep refers to ,can anyone help me here ,I would like to find out if this is the same people.

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Watchtower 2007 3/15 -- Is 1914 dropped?

by observer in

watchtower 2007 3/15 is very unusual.

it is titled (when freely translated) "how coming of the christ affects you?".

in the first article there is not speaking about 1914 or invisible presence.

wozadummy

I'm definitely with you HB ,time and smoke and mirrors - I just feel so foolish now for not listening years ago to that little voice that said to me "but that's not right"

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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD

by DannyHaszard in

parents don't get a moral pass.

toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?

raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.

wozadummy

Hi mia_b

I was'nt trying to change the topic of the thread , it just seemed there is another issue of life here related to the refusal of blood. I'm glad you picked up on my thinking ,if they value life so much and yet will throw it away for the interpretations of a few old men ,why then would they get IVF done knowing they may be called on to end the life of fertilized embryos?

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Watchtower 2007 3/15 -- Is 1914 dropped?

by observer in

watchtower 2007 3/15 is very unusual.

it is titled (when freely translated) "how coming of the christ affects you?".

in the first article there is not speaking about 1914 or invisible presence.

wozadummy

There you go - if they divide the two comings far enough apart in time it's easier to fade the first (1914) coming. HEATHEN said it, they can't get rid of it but they can focus now on the future coming so the 1914 issue becomes a distant curiosity.

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WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD

by DannyHaszard in

parents don't get a moral pass.

toronto star, canada - 3. even the discovery that their parents were devout jehovah's witnesses and is there any other kind of watchtower congregant?

raised only faint alarm ... rosie [email protected] the author.

wozadummy

I'm a bit puzzled by this story ,here we have JW's having invitro fertilization because they love to have babies ,and say they love the babies ,and yet are willing to let them die after so much trouble giving them life.!

And then I recall that the parents donated eggs and sperm and some of these fertilized eggs are frozen for future injection later if the first fertilized eggs fail. But on having multiple births they can then say we don't want anymore children ....so.....what then happens to the remainining fertilized eggs left over? ...they say the fertilized eggs are potetial human beings so they cannot kill the eggs off but they can let the preemie foetuses die from lack of blood.

I always thought true JW's could not invitro because of the dilemna of possibly having to kill the unwanted fertilized eggs ,or that they may be used in another womans womb?

Is anyone else on my wavelength here?

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Creation scientist resources

by hooberus in

http://www.creationresearch.org.

http://www.icr.org.

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_papers.

wozadummy

The bugs only started to each other after Eve stuffed up ,it's all her fault ,and Adam joined her, and great white sharks have only got those big teeth because back in Adam & Eve's day the kelp was bigger back then and then it got smaller and the sharks had to eat meat then coz the kelp is small now ,and in the new system all will be restored and everything will not eat each other and we'll all eat vegetation that does'nt scream with pain coz god said there will be no more pain and dying ,and I want a lion like that little girl in the brochure ...I do!

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Taking the p*** out of Aussies

by winnie in

my husband (english) loves this one.. a member of the barmy army, sick of sitting through match after match of cricket with england losing, goes to the doctors and says.

"doctor, i'm sick of being english.

i want to become a kiwi.

wozadummy

Aw come on Yanks ....the last line......get it?........aussie right ?.........flamin heck I don't think they've got it yet!

Or perhaps the're just PC not uncouth like us.