Posts by AudeSapere

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Brooklyn news on sending the elderly packing

by I am a Bible Student in

johnny the bethelite on this program talks about the older bethelites being targeted by watchtower.they are getting rid of those at bethel who are 65-87 years old, some being anointed even the widows of former governing body members who gave decades of loyal service time to the watchtower organization.. the reasons the very elderly are being expelled are money in that for their age range they cost so much to cloth, fed, and medicate, having problems from high blood pressure to dementia.

they include persons such as sister henschel whose husband had been a watchtower president and marian sydlik whose parents are long dead.. https://soundcloud.com/rick-fearon/jan-16-2016-johnny-the-bethelite-watchtower-insider-host-his-radio-program-from-brooklyn-ny .

AudeSapere

Outlaw - You crack me up!! Laughing so hard I've got tears on my cheeks~!!

Can't find his f'in cat, either! LOL

Thanks for the giggles.

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Glenn Frey has died at the age of 67. I'm shocked. I didn't know he was sick.

by Butyoucanneverleave in

i loved the eagles.

still do as you can guess by my username.

life is fleeting.

AudeSapere

I only knew of his illness when The Eagles declined participation in the Kennedy Center Honors a few weeks ago. They declined because Glenn was just too sick to join them and they requested to wait until next year so they could all receive the Honors as a group.

Sadly, now, Glenn will not join them next time, either.

I'm really, really sad about his death.

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I started a thread about his passing earlier this afternoon:

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5186743326212096/heaviest-hearts

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It Is With the Heaviest of Hearts...

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

.. source: http://eagles.com/news/266763.

it is with the heaviest of hearts that we [the eagles]...the passing of our comrade, eagles founder, glenn frey, in new york city on monday, january 18th, 2016.glenn fought a courageous battle for the past several weeks but, sadly, succumbed to complications from rheumatoid arthritis, acute ulcerative colitis and pneumonia.the frey family would like to thank everyone who joined glenn to fight this fight and hoped and prayed for his recovery.words can neither describe our sorrow, nor our love and respect for all that he has given to us, his family, the music community & millions of fans worldwide.cindy frey | taylor frey | deacon frey | otis frey|don henley | joe walsh | timothy b. schmit | bernie leadon | irving azoff“it's your world now”written by glenn frey and jack tempchinfrom the eagles’ long road out of eden albuma perfect day, the sun is sinkin' lowas evening falls, the gentle breezes blowthe time we shared went by so fastjust like a dream, we knew it couldn't lastbut i'd do it all againif i could, somehowbut i must be leavin' soonit's your world nowit's your world nowmy race is runi'm moving onlike the setting sunno sad goodbyesno tears allowedyou'll be alrightit's your world noweven when we are apartyou'll always be in my heartwhen dark clouds appear in the skyremember true love never diesbut first a kiss, one glass of winejust one more dance while there's still timemy one last wish: someday, you'll seehow hard i tried and how much you meant to meit's your world nowuse well your timebe part of something goodleave something good behindthe curtain fallsi take my bowthat's how it's meant to beit's your world nowit's your world nowit's your world now.

..... source: http://eagles.com/news/266763.

AudeSapere

I had an opportunity to see the 'Hell Freezes Over' show live way back in the 90's. I regret not going - for the past 20+ years.

So sad to learn of his passing. And 67 is a number that seems smaller and smaller every damn day.

RIP Glenn.

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Im sick of my life

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

sorry but i really feel like i need to rant right now.

recently my dad was made an elder so my family has been doing a lot more "theocratic" activities lately.

every morning i wake up and put on my itchy dress and stupid makeup and heels and then pretend that i love what i'm doing and that everybody is my friend when in reality i feel horrible and all the other teenage girls at my hall hate me for some reason.

AudeSapere

Oh! I forgot the very beginning of the OP. You dad was just made an elder.

*THIS* is likely where some of the increased pressure is coming from, too. A qualifier for being an elder is to preside over the household in a fine manner. This includes guiding all children toward baptism. If he cannot guide his own child(ren), how skilled can he be with the congregation?? - is what the CO and elder-body will wonder.

I still stand by my suggestions above. It can apply to either parent. No excuses. No yelling. Just calm, respectful logic.

Keep your cool. You can maneuver through this. It will be tough, but not impossible.

-Aude.

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It Is With the Heaviest of Hearts...

by AudeSapere in

jw
friends

.. source: http://eagles.com/news/266763.

it is with the heaviest of hearts that we [the eagles]...the passing of our comrade, eagles founder, glenn frey, in new york city on monday, january 18th, 2016.glenn fought a courageous battle for the past several weeks but, sadly, succumbed to complications from rheumatoid arthritis, acute ulcerative colitis and pneumonia.the frey family would like to thank everyone who joined glenn to fight this fight and hoped and prayed for his recovery.words can neither describe our sorrow, nor our love and respect for all that he has given to us, his family, the music community & millions of fans worldwide.cindy frey | taylor frey | deacon frey | otis frey|don henley | joe walsh | timothy b. schmit | bernie leadon | irving azoff“it's your world now”written by glenn frey and jack tempchinfrom the eagles’ long road out of eden albuma perfect day, the sun is sinkin' lowas evening falls, the gentle breezes blowthe time we shared went by so fastjust like a dream, we knew it couldn't lastbut i'd do it all againif i could, somehowbut i must be leavin' soonit's your world nowit's your world nowmy race is runi'm moving onlike the setting sunno sad goodbyesno tears allowedyou'll be alrightit's your world noweven when we are apartyou'll always be in my heartwhen dark clouds appear in the skyremember true love never diesbut first a kiss, one glass of winejust one more dance while there's still timemy one last wish: someday, you'll seehow hard i tried and how much you meant to meit's your world nowuse well your timebe part of something goodleave something good behindthe curtain fallsi take my bowthat's how it's meant to beit's your world nowit's your world nowit's your world now.

..... source: http://eagles.com/news/266763.

AudeSapere

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Source: http://eagles.com/news/266763

It is with the heaviest of hearts that we [The Eagles]...the passing of our comrade, Eagles founder, Glenn Frey, in New York City on Monday, January 18th, 2016.

Glenn fought a courageous battle for the past several weeks but, sadly, succumbed to complications from Rheumatoid Arthritis, Acute Ulcerative Colitis and Pneumonia.

The Frey family would like to thank everyone who joined Glenn to fight this fight and hoped and prayed for his recovery.

Words can neither describe our sorrow, nor our love and respect for all that he has given to us, his family, the music community & millions of fans worldwide.

Cindy Frey | Taylor Frey | Deacon Frey | Otis Frey|
Don Henley | Joe Walsh | Timothy B. Schmit | Bernie Leadon | Irving Azoff

“It's Your World Now”
Written by Glenn Frey and Jack Tempchin
From the Eagles’ Long Road Out of Eden album

A perfect day, the sun is sinkin' low
As evening falls, the gentle breezes blow
The time we shared went by so fast
Just like a dream, we knew it couldn't last
But I'd do it all again
If I could, somehow
But I must be leavin' soon
It's your world now

It's your world now
My race is run
I'm moving on
Like the setting sun
No sad goodbyes
No tears allowed
You'll be alright
It's your world now

Even when we are apart
You'll always be in my heart
When dark clouds appear in the sky
Remember true love never dies

But first a kiss, one glass of wine
Just one more dance while there's still time
My one last wish: someday, you'll see
How hard I tried and how much you meant to me

It's your world now
Use well your time
Be part of something good
Leave something good behind
The curtain falls
I take my bow
That's how it's meant to be
It's your world now
It's your world now
It's your world now

....

Source: http://eagles.com/news/266763

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So sad. So very, very sad this afternoon.

-Aude.

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'Worldly' man looking for a little more understanding...

by Verecocha in

saw similar title in a google search so thought i'd read more and now simply have to share my experience if anything to hear that i'm not insane and it is that simple.. met and fell madly in love with a witness, and her with me.

what began as love at first sight turned into a 6 year relatiomship which simply ended very bluntly.

there were many painful twists and turns along the way, first from her inability to leave her husband, then my mistake in finding someone else as i simply couldn't take the pain of her coming and going with such simplicity, but in the end she got a divorce and suffered many consequences within 'the truth', and i sorted my issues which were many and admittedly dug with my own hands and stupidity in trying to protect a young girl who had done no wrong in this long affair.. eventually we found ourself on what i believed to be the home straight.

AudeSapere

Verecocha asked: Are witnesses inherently broken as to feeling anything for anybody else?

Not 'inherently', but, rather, conditioned and programmed.

You can take the girl (or boy) out of the cult for a little while, but you can't take the cult out of the girl (or boy) - unless they are ready and really, really want to do the hard work it takes to overcome the deeply ingrained mental conditioning.

Welcome to JWN!! You've come to the right place to discuss this issue. We get one or two like you every week. In love with a current or former witness. And the stories have very similar themes. If you did not know this already, the majority of us here are former JWs. There are some current & active JW's but not as as many.

I'm sure many more will comment on your heartfelt post. In the meantime, look around at old threads. Something is bound to catch your interest.

To keep this thread current (at the top of the active topic list) keep responding to people's posts. That way more and more people will see and comment.

-Aude.

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Im sick of my life

by BlackWolf in

jw
friends

sorry but i really feel like i need to rant right now.

recently my dad was made an elder so my family has been doing a lot more "theocratic" activities lately.

every morning i wake up and put on my itchy dress and stupid makeup and heels and then pretend that i love what i'm doing and that everybody is my friend when in reality i feel horrible and all the other teenage girls at my hall hate me for some reason.

AudeSapere

BlackWolf wrote: my biggest problem right now is the pressure to get baptized. I've told my mom I'm not ready yet but she bothers me about it constantly. I'm starting to run out of excuses.

Has your mom specifically told you *why* she wants you baptized asap??

In my mom's case, she was anxious for my brother(s) to get baptized because she felt that then he/they would become the congregation's (elder's) problem. She just did not want to have to 'deal' with her son(s) training and discipline anymore.

She may say that she is pressuring you out of love and concern. If she does, thank her for her love and concern and reassure her that you are really secure in your own personal relationship with Jehovah.

If you suspect her ulterior motives (like trying to dodge her own personal god-given responsibilities), consider asking her if that is where her 'push' is coming from. THEN you two will have a better understanding of what the real issue is and you can begin to communicate on a more honest level.

Either way, let her know that you sincerely appreciate that she is trying to help keep you safe, but, infact, she is starting to smother you. It's becoming 'smother love', and it just does not feel healthy to you.

I'm guessing that your mother (like mine) did *NOT* grow up as a JW. And likely, as a teenager, she behaved in a way that would not be acceptable within the confines of a Kingdom Hall.

It seems that she has no clue about what it is like to grow up in the JW organization. And she's letting the old guys in Brooklyn/Warwick tell her how to prevent her daughter from making the mistakes she made when she was worldly young-adult woman. In that case, it might help to let her that you appreciate her efforts and you understand why she pushes as she does. But you need to start gaining a little more freedom to acquire necessary life skills outside of the home and Kingdom Hall and you promise to respect her, and her house rules, and you will continue to draw strength and guidance from your relationship with Jehovah. You will aim to continue to make her proud in everything you do.

And you will get baptized when you feel you are ready. Right now, you just feel way too young and too smothered to make an honest, life-long decision for yourself. [See also the comment by 'WitnessMyFury' a few posts above.]

Because, afterall, Baptism is supposed to be a personal decision and committment. Right?!!?!!?

Also, No more finding excuses with your mom about baptism. First find out specifically *why* she is pressuring you to do something that should really just bubble forth from within yourself. After that, when she mentions it, just cheerfully remind her "You are trying to pressure me, mom, for something I know in my heart I'm not ready for", or, "Smother Loving is intruding on [or distracting me from] development of my relationship and trust in Jehovah. It's not helping, mom." Then give her a quick kiss, a quick, gentle hug, a big, genuine smile and leave the room to get on with something more pleasant. Get dinner started. Straighten up the living room. Go for a just walk to clear your head. Take a shower. Something to put physical distance between the two of you but make it an activity that is constructive so she can tangibly see that you are making good life choices even though you are resisting her efforts to conform to her manipulative techniques.

All the best to you as you steadily make your way through the next few months.

-Aude.

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A 17 Year Old's Journey To Freedom

by DLou278 in

hey guys!

i have written an article on my exit from the watchtower.

i am 17 years old and leaving has been the best decision that i have ever made.

AudeSapere

Fantastic article. Congrats on gaining soo much personal awareness and human insight at such a young age. Your honesty, alertness and articulation skills will take you far and will help you create a life that you will love.

Welcome to JWN!! and thank you for such a great intro post.

One comment on a fact in your article, though.

DLou278 wrote (in the article linked in the OP): News has recently came out that there have been 1006 unreported child sexual abuse cases within the org.

This is not correct and grossly understates the magnitude of the child sex abuse situation within the JW organization.

1006 represents the number of known abusers. Most abusers have multiple victims. Each victim would represent one case. Thus, the number of actual *cases* is likely much greater than 1006.

Also, those 1006 known abusers are solely within Australia. This data was taken from the ARC which convened to address the issues only as they pertain to Australia.

Worldwide, global numbers are not known but I have often seen reference to more than 23,000 offenders.

Barbara Anderson would be the best source for global numbers as she had access to the records while she was at Brooklyn Bethel. [Barbara's website is www.watchtowerdocuments.org]

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I truly enjoyed your article, though. Thank you for sharing it with us~!!

Looking forward to your next installment.

-Aude Sapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself.)

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New WT pdf tells children to report. Irony?

by wifibandit in

pdf.

why won't watchtower tell abusers "i'm going to tell on you!

" and follow through with the proper authorities?

AudeSapere

It's a quick attempt at damage control. By publishing this, they hope to prove to the governmental authorities that they are proactive in protecting children.

It's way too little, way too late.

And I'd like to see what role-play scenarios they have created to present to elders and parents.

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The Hermit's story PART 1

by The Hermit in

my great-grandmother was a jw, my grandmother is a jw, my mother and two of my aunts are jws.

in 1983 mom, then 18 years old married my father, a wordly man and was baptized later the same year at a district convention.

i was born in 1984.. my bedtime stories consisted of the bible stories and you can live forever books.

AudeSapere

Jehovah's witness children have it rough. Real rough.

I'm sorry. But I well-know the horror visions in the heads of JW children. (And some adults, too.)

This was a nice read. Looking forward to your next installment.

-AudeSapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself.)