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AudeSapere
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Has Anyone Heard from garybuss (Gary Busselman)??
by AudeSapere in.
has anyone heard from garybuss (gary busselman) lately???.
it's been over a year since his last post.. i always enjoyed his comments and hope he is well.. does anyone keep in contact with him?.
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Has Anyone Heard from garybuss (Gary Busselman)??
by AudeSapere in.
has anyone heard from garybuss (gary busselman) lately???.
it's been over a year since his last post.. i always enjoyed his comments and hope he is well.. does anyone keep in contact with him?.
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AudeSapere
Has anyone heard from garybuss (Gary Busselman) lately???
It's been over a year since his last post.
I always enjoyed his comments and hope he is well.
Does anyone keep in contact with him?
-Aude.
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VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!
by brotherdan inso i was talking to one of my "apologist" friends, and he just got back from a mormon outreach mission in utah.
he was able to help a 17 year old mormon girl to begin to see the truth and was really excited about it.
he goes to these temple conventions and temple openings all the time to preach jesus to them.. so he was interested in doing that at a jw convention.
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AudeSapere
Maybe not quite what he's thinking, but here are some other ideas:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/102331/1/What-would-you-want-Madzay-to-make-for-ex-JWs
These ideas from 5 years ago were primarily for use by faders and others who for some reason felt they were under compulsion to attend:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/92176/1/More-District-Convention-ApostaKits
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VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION!!!!
by brotherdan inso i was talking to one of my "apologist" friends, and he just got back from a mormon outreach mission in utah.
he was able to help a 17 year old mormon girl to begin to see the truth and was really excited about it.
he goes to these temple conventions and temple openings all the time to preach jesus to them.. so he was interested in doing that at a jw convention.
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AudeSapere
Yan Bibiyan took my answer: www.jehovahs-witness.com (They'll be redirected here to .net)
-Aude.
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(marking for later)
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YMCA now I am mad!!!
by loosie ini talked to a current jw today and he told me that it came out in print from the wtbts that you can be a memebr of the ymca as long as you don't associate with the other worldlys that go there..
omg!!!
just a few years ago i was told that i couldn't be at the ymca because it was a christian org.. .
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AudeSapere
Curious Butterfly wrote: You are correct. I have never heard of the WTS easing off on becoming a member. I do believe that a person is allowed to take an exercise class for instance and not actually becoming a member. Their reasoning on this is you are paying for a service or item.
That is different than my understanding.
The way it was always present to us was that even if we just using the pool, passersby and other Y members would not know that we were just 'using the pool'. They were likely to believe that we were members and as such had aligned ourselves with and enemy of Jehovah.
Also, it could stumble our brothers.
-Aude.
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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids
by 2pink ini have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).
my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.
we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.
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AudeSapere
Alice wrote: Jehovah's Witnesses never take this antagonistic rant toward unbelieving family
I think the difference is in how they treat family that never was JW as opposed to family that was [baptized] JW who then chose to leave and were then either DA'd or DF'd.
With never-were-witness family, they are much more tolerant and forgiving.
With DA'd, DF'd, and some faders there may not be antagonistic behaviors, but they are strongly encouraged to keep separate from them except for necessary family members. Therefore, the unbaptized grandchildren are considered acceptable and in need of saving. The DA'd, DF'd and Faded parents of those children are considered dangerous to their spirituality.
-Aude.
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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids
by 2pink ini have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).
my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.
we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.
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AudeSapere
Actually, I wonder if it would have better effect if you left the indoctrination comment out. Just leave it that you and your spouse have decided not to associate with people who are gossipers or who speak ill of other people. And, you are a package deal - they either see all 5 or you or none of you. There is not picking-and-choosing.
Just out of curiousity... If you decide to let them see the 4 and 5 year olds, will they also want to see the adopted child or would that child be left behind all the time??
-Aude.
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At a loss what to do RE: JW family and my kids
by 2pink ini have 2 small kids, ages 4 and 5 yrs and one on the way (via adoption!).
my husband and i faded/suddenly disappeared last fall, never to go back to meetings.
we outed ourselves and told our super hardcore parents/family members that we didn't believe it anymore, were choosing a different path etc.
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AudeSapere
You, your spouse, and your children are a package deal.
Don't try to talk yourself into something that you feel may be detrimental to your children.
If they act coolly toward you when you are in the room, you can bet your bottom dollar that there will be demeaning comments, sideways glances, and snideness amongst themselves when you children tell them stories about the fun they had with mommy and daddy in whatever activity you shared.
I definitely would not allow un-supervised visits. For me, the furthest I'd go is to meet them in a park for an hour or two. Bring snacks and drinks for everyone and let grandma and grandpa push them on the swings.
Be nice as pie - but with boundaries. No talking about their religion and no talking about how bad the world and other people are. Remind them that they are absolutely welcome in your house but you will not tolerate indoctrination techniques or bad-mouthing ANYONE. (I have this rule in my house for family and friends alike. It's called RESPECT.)
You may eventually find adult friends who become sort of surrogate grandparents, aunts and uncles. They may not be available for decades, but they may become good family friends that sort of fill that roll.
Sorry for the trouble. Most of us have been there to one degree or another.
-Aude.
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Can someone explain this?
by UnConfused ini decided to fly to visit a friend on the board.. small airport.. called and there were seats available.. got to the airport and was not allowed to buy a ticket because it was "too late" to do so.. the plane hadn't even arrived from it's previous flight so it was going to be a while.. the fellow wasn't sure why the computer wouldn't let him sell a ticket and sighted security.. but when i pointed out that didn't make sense because whether i bought a ticket now or a week ago they were going to check my baggage.. he agreed.. i left, frustrated..
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AudeSapere
Terrorist tactic and need time to check the 'no fly list' is also what I have heard.
Too bad you didn't get to make the trip. I bet you would have a real nice time.
-Aude.