august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
He left on principle due to disagreement with the WT. Ultimately disfellowshipped and JWs who were working for him had to find other employment.
Monty says that he personally was not uncomfortable about the 'shunning' but that it was more uncomfortable for the active JWs who felt they had to keep away from him as he was an apostate.
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
Monty does not seem to want to be here. And he admits that he has intentionally tried to distance himself from all things JW for the past 22 years.
He says that within his written statement that he could not recall names of many of people involved the cases in question. But upon reviewing the documents presented him from the commission, he, of course, remembered the people and the details have come back to him.
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
Orphan Crow wrote: Whoa...Monty Baker's lawyer questioned Derooroo as to why he didn't read the statements."Was it because they were made by people who were speaking out against the JWs?"
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DeRooy responded: No. Not at all.
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He is a big fat liar.
Sort of.
They (the active elders called upon to make testimony) didn't read ANYONE's statement so, technically, his response is honest.
However, recent WT directives dictate that no lover of Jehovah should listen, read or share reports from ANY person speaking negatively of the organization.
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
Smiddy's response reminded me where to find the transcripts of each days' testimony. Here is the link to both the live feed (when hearings are in session) AND for previous day's testimony (scroll down): http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney
Thanks Smiddy!
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
Indian Larry wrote: Please tell me someone is recording this and will post on YouTube? Preferably unedited without any additional comment so I can show it to me family that is still "in".
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There are many posts with the links to both the full written transcript and the YouTube videos. The commission's own website has the written transcript. Barbara Anderson has all the links to video on her website: www.watchtowerdocuments.org.
Links to this Royal Commission:
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/
I'm trying to find the links to the transcripts. I saw them earlier today but having trouble finding link at moment.
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Edit to Add: I found a link to transcripts for Study 28. JW hearing is 'Study 29', so perhaps there is a delay for the Commission to post the transcripts after the entire hearing is completed???
{Reference Study 28 Transcripts: http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/860eabc6-e0fc-453a-b9d4-51a89852fede/case-study-28,-november-2015}
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
deRooy states: [paraphrased] People in the congregation understand that they are entitled to go to the police in cases of incest and child sex abuse
Female Questioner: [paraphrased]: Where does that understanding come from?
deRooy [paraphrased]: Uhhh... It's know among the congregation.
Female Questioner: [paraphrased]: But *where* does that understanding come from? Where is it written?
Common sense *could* have been the answer. But JWs do not use their own common sense. They are trained (with fear of displeasing Jehovah and ultimate destruction at Armageddon) to look to and to trust the lead of the elders and WT dictates.
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Female Questioner: What training do you have as to what scriptures to use when counselling [people such as BCG]?
DeRooy: [paraphrased] I think on what would be appropriate to the case... [yadda yadda yadda]
Female Questioner: But you haven't had any *specific* training on what to do in cases of sex abuse, have you?
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<Lunch Break>
he is the exjw on the witness list of the royal commission.anybody know him?is he awake?
is he active in the apostate world or has he become a normal guy?
MadSweeney wrote: ... active in the apostate world or has he become a normal guy?
Are you saying the two are mutually exclusive?
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
deRooy stated: My view is that 'legal' matters can be taken to court.
What other sorts of matters would court consider. Aren't 'legal' matters the ONLY thing that courts of law consider???
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
public hearing: case study 29 into jehovah's witnesses, sydney.
Angus asked after deRooy stated that he had only just briefly glanced at the transcripts and documents last night: [paraphrased] Is there a particular reason why you did not look at the documents presented to you for this commission in further detail?
deRooy: [quote] Ummmmm... I suppose... Time.
Angus: [paraphrased] OK You would have saved us all alot of time if you had.
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Dufus deRooy and his bumbling blokes (those other elders on the stand).
august.
mon 3 (cont) fri 7 .
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deRooy: We are not under the Mosaic Law. We are under the law of Christ.
LOL And yet isn't the 2-witness rule part of Mosaic Law????
jwfacts wrote: The correct Watchtower answer is that whilst the Mosaic law was done away by the Ransom sacrifice, at Matthew 18 Jesus reiterated the two witness rule.
OOPS! It seems I'm rusty on my JW doctrine...!
