sir82 wrote: The current schedule for the CLAM is that once a month there will be video shows instead of student demos. Videos currently are shown frequently in service meeting parts.
Can someone please tell me, What is CLAM?
so now that the borg has taken all of the congregations money, there was just a resolution to get all new tv's, etc for the stage for the new meeting format.. i wasn't there, but it was a large sum.
somebody mentioned over 3000$.. all the congregations in the city are likely doing the same thing, and are getting all the equipment from bethel.. i was wondering if this was happening all most everywhere?.
can't see it in third world countries( might not even have internet).
sir82 wrote: The current schedule for the CLAM is that once a month there will be video shows instead of student demos. Videos currently are shown frequently in service meeting parts.
Can someone please tell me, What is CLAM?
if anyone is up for a meetup in a public place anytime soon around southern california let me know.
i am not a good organizer of these things but if anyone wants to organize a meetup i am all for it, it can be near disneyland or surroundings!
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I just saw this now... Hope everyone has a good time!
I'm working, otherwise I'd join you. If you meet up again, let me know~!!
"i'm perfect, you're doomed" by kyria abrahams, 2009, touchstone.. if you want a way to get people out of that horrible cult, easily, quickly and expeditiously, then here is how to do that.. i can say with a vote of confidence that anyone who reads this book will never and i mean never become a dub.
dubs who read it (assuming they have at least one or two brain cells left) will run from their religion like flies on shit when you pour bleach on it and blow it up with dynamite.. toss away crisis of conscience, apocalypse delayed, 30 years a watchtower slave and all those other very nice books and read this one.
i read those and all the other ones.
(Marking for later.)
I miss Farkel.
the copyright owner has posted a message on the internet, and can be found below!.
ray franz.
To the person who started this thread: Thank you. I was so happy to read Deborah's own words.
I'm angry for what has happened with the copyright violation issues. Grateful to see that things are finally being resolved. So grateful that I just contributed to her cause.
-AudeSapere (meaning: Dare to Know; Dare to Have Wisdom/Understanding; Dare to Think for Yourself)
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edit to add: I still have my original copies of CoC and ISOCF that I purchased directly from Commentary Press about 13 years ago. I had already walked away from the org over a decade before then. The books helped me understand that I was correct in my decision to leave and that I would never, ever return. People can leave without the books, but having them helps us to understand that which we likely could not know without Ray's personal details of what occurs/occured behind closed doors with the GB. -Aude.
comments you will not hear at the 06-13-10 wt study (april 15, 2010, pages 7-11 (purpose).
as we have seen, jehovah used his spirit in the past to protect individuals as well as the nation of israel as a whole.
why doesnt god protect individuals today?.
after the sunday meeting an over zealous young elder encourages the cong.
with a 2 hour clips from jw.org!
one video showed a young sister battling loneliness not able to find a mate in her hall or area.
It's funny to me that JWs are so conditioned to avoid and distrust *anything* that does not originate from the WTS/org itself.
While talking to my non-jw aunt and uncle, my single, hardcore jw sister responded to their inquiry about dating sites for JWs - like J-Date - she smiled pretty, shook her head and said "There *are* some, but none of them are from the official organization."
I started to reason with her that it is just social -interaction in the computer age. My thinking was that is is similar to having a non-official 'get-together' with people from various congregations.
She darted me a critical sneer then sweetly repeated her comment to our aunt and uncle: 'There are sites, but they are not sponsored or supported by headquarters.'
Sad.
Part of me wants to say 'What's the harm in letting people meet and mingle?'
Then I remember things that happen when JWs actually *do* speak honestly without their JW filters. Terrible things happen. Like people learn the Truth About the 'Truth'.
And websites like JWD/JWN grow and take hold.
So family members yet again remain captives of the concept they choose to put above all else - including their own freedom and happiness.
-Aude.
i haven't been on here for so long.
peeking in to say hello.
any old friends here?
a (non-jw) woman that i work with has a daughter in public high school.
last week, the daughter walked in on a male teacher watching what seems to be a soft-porn scene on youtube.
she witnessed him unbuckle his belt and then appeared to be masterbating.. this occurred on school property while students were still onsite.
a (non-jw) woman that i work with has a daughter in public high school.
last week, the daughter walked in on a male teacher watching what seems to be a soft-porn scene on youtube.
she witnessed him unbuckle his belt and then appeared to be masterbating.. this occurred on school property while students were still onsite.
A (non-jw) woman that I work with has a daughter in Public High School. Last week, the daughter walked in on a male teacher watching what seems to be a soft-porn scene on YouTube. She witnessed him unbuckle his belt and then appeared to be masterbating.
This occurred on school property while students were still onsite. (I do not know if it was during school hours or not.)
The daughter reported the incident to the principal and another administrative person was present.
After the weekend, the mother (my co-worker) called the school to see what was being done about this incident. The school said there is nothing for her or them to do as the matter has been referred to the police.
So the mother called the police and the police say that no report has been filed with them. She filed a report and now feels that she may want to get an attorney for her daughter. The daughter says she was called back to the principal again and interrogated. The daughter feels like she is being harassed and considered a liar. She is now afraid of retaliation from the (offending) teacher.
I don't know the daughter. And not sure what the mother's next step should be. The mother is asking me what I think she can/should do to support her daughter and to ensure that the (offending) teacher is appropriately dealt with.
The daughter was not touched or physically harmed. She thinks the teacher may not have even seen her or known that she was in the room as his back was towards her at the time of the incident.
Any ideas and/or suggestions that I can share with the mother??
so the elders keep bugging me and pestering me about having a meeting with them to "introduce me to my new congregation" for some reason (do any ex elders know what that even means??).
i keep postponing and making excuses and they are getting more and more aggressive.
i finally agreed for them to come over today, but really don't want to..should i hide from them again?
Nothing like waiting til the last minute to ask for help...!
Generally, the best thing to if you are trying to fade, is keep them at bay. There are kind ways to tell them, "Thanks, but no thanks. Not at this time. Thank you for your interest. I have your number and will phone you if I feel I need assistance [from you]."
But since you have already committed, my best suggestion is to leave them a phone message stating that something has come up and you are unavailable to meet. Then go treat yourself to dinner and a movie in a town where they don't live. Come home after 10pm pour yourself a little glass of wine or cup of tea and go to bed.
It's a much better use of your time.
Good luck. I wish you the best.
-Aude.