Posts by CalebInFloroda

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Jehovah's Witnesses have spent so many years pretending that they know what they are talking about.

They have published ridiculous concepts that people have based and lost their lives on. They might as well have been jokes becuase they had none of the value promised or that the Governing Body promised these did.

If you are just sitting here joking around, you are no better than they are. People come here for real answers. Some people are literally suffering from the mental and spiritual abuse they have suffered. Questions and comments, unless places in an area for jokes, are no place to offer foolishness of the same sort.

If this is just a joke to you, then I am so glad I am not you.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Simply demonstrate here, using the critical method, how Thomas can be Q since Thomas has no Eschatological Discourse and that is an essential facet of Q.

And yes, I have the facsimiles of Thomas with me. And of course I've read Mark.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

14 minutes ago

I didn't say I didn't know.

Yeah so you say, but you didn't prove it now did you? You could not write down a similar first three paragraphs of my response.

You had no idea.

So I've done my bit. You haven't.

Prove that Thomas is NOT Q.--Saintbertholdt

Q is theoretical. There is great doubt in some quarters over its existence. But Thomas exists.

Q is supposed to be a sayings-source, but Thomas shows a narrative structure. Unlike what many people think, scholars see a narrative in Thomas. Duke’s professor of religion, Mark Goodacre, is one of them, for example. He has written extensively against Q and compared it to what we have learned from Thomas.

As I mentioned before, Q is supposed to contain only sayings, well-known for being the source of the Eschatological Discourse given on the Mount of Olives, such as appears in Matthew 24. Thomas, on the other hand, has no such discourse in it at all.

Therefore Thomas cannot be Q, if Q exists.

My question to you is how can Thomas be Q in light of the absence of Q’s well-known Eschatological Discourse feature?

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Besides, if you have read Thomas, you would know it was was written in Coptic, proving my original point that the language of that era was not "Egyptian" as you put it (Thomas was discovered in Egypt).

Also, Thomas is known for being very independent of Q. Q is noted for the Eschatological Discourse, but Thomas doesn't have it or other well-known earmarks of the theoretical Q.

So I am only asking you for proving your views via a critical methodology. When I said that this is what everybody else should be asking, I didn't mean a lot of people were reading this, but that all people who consider religion should ask that others prove their points employing a critical methodology that employs logic.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Here's the statement:

"Saintbertholdt,

Okay, if you say the Gospel of Thomas seems to be earlier and was probably Q, simply use the scientific method to prove that, right here and now.

The scientific method is the model used in Biblical criticism by philologists to demonstrate textual transmission. I am sure you know how to do this because I doubt you would be making any such claims here without having validated your views without due process.

Make sure you include the data of those who validate your conclusions as well."

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

I didn't say I didn't know. I said your conclusions are incorrect.

I asked you to use the scientific method to prove what you are saying, adding that I would believe you if you employed the known rules of critical methodology with validating witnesses, and their supporting data, to demonstrate why your conclusions are what you said they were.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

For those others who are indeed reading, what you are witnessing here is a classic case of what in logical fallacy is called "dodging."

You challenge another to answer a question or demonstrate their logic, but instead of doing it they try to avoid by dodging, in this case asking me to do what I asked the other person to do even though the points I raised was not in question.

This has not only gone off the path of the topic, but calls into question the claims and views of the one dodging.

We wouldn't allow a JW to get away with, Saintnertholdt, so why are you doing it here? You obviously have no intention to follow through.

You do know the JWs win just a little when we fail to be intellectually honest with ourselves.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Yes, I did ask first. I think everyone here should demand what I am demanding of you, conclusions which are logical, based on a logic methodology, validated by independent and disinterested parties.

I'm a big believer in the scientific and critical methods.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Go ahead. Don't weasel out. I can do it. I'm pretty sure you know I can. You first. It shouldn't be hard or distasteful to repeat the process that has led to your current convictions. Surely they are all based on validated conclusions.

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What language was Jesus most at home with?

by fulltimestudent in

jw
friends

our former loving brothers and sisters have been instructed to think that, jesus likely spoke a form of hebrew and a form of aramaic.

(aid to bible understanding-103-105).

of course, there is no way to demonstrate the truth of that assertion or any other assertion about the languages that the common people of the land spoke.

CalebInFloroda

Saintbertholdt,

Okay, if you say the Gospel of Thomas seems to be earlier and was probably Q, simply use the scientific method to prove that, right here and now.

The scientific method is the model used in Biblical criticism by philologists to demonstrate textual transmission. I am sure you know how to do this because I doubt you would be making any such claims here without having validated your views without due process.

Make sure you include the data of those who validate your conclusions as well.