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Saul (Paul) vs Hitler. What was the difference ?

by google_mE in

what was the difference between saul (later called paul) and hitler ?.

both had a hand in persecuting and killing people.

both thought they were doing the work of god.

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I'm sure that Hitler had heard of Jesus and was told about him. With all the Christians he had to deal with, who were helping hide the Jews, I'm sure if he wanted to he could've met Jesus, not in the same way Paul did but the way that one who accepts Him into their heart does.

Paul heard of Jesus as well, but continued to persecute Christians. It wasn't until he saw him with his own eyes in a miraculous event that he changed his ways. Hitler was never given that chance.

However, like John 15:24 says: "If I had not done among them the works which no one else did, they would have no sin; but now they have seen and also hated both Me and My Father." No matter what Jesus shows them, they will still not believe. There were thousands and thousands and millions and millions of people who saw Jesus' miracles but didn't belive in Him. When Jesus appeared to Paul it was miraculous, but Paul could still have kept a hard heart and continued killing Christians or at least not turn to Jesus.

Paul could have stayed the same, but the fact is he did change. Countless people did witness Jesus and did not change. However, my point is that if even one person did change, would it not be worth it ? If Jesus appeared today in a miraculous event to the 6 billion people living today and only one person changed his wayward life, would it not be worth it ? (if he really does care about us, that is) 4 "What man of YOU with a hundred sheep, on losing one of them, will not leave the ninety-nine behind in the wilderness and go for the lost one until he finds it?" (Luke 15:4)

"[God] does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance." (2 Peter 3:9) What's your take ? Golf -- What was your question again ?

-mE

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What on earth was he talking about?

by SickofLies in

and adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing.--1 tim.2:14-15 .

any idea's what this was suppose to mean?

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The context reads:

12 I do not permit a woman to teach, or to exercise authority over a man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve. 14 Also, Adam was not deceived, but the woman was thoroughly deceived and came to be in transgression. 15 However, she will be kept safe through childbearing, provided they continue in faith and love and sanctification along with soundness of mind.

Paul was talking about the woman's role in the congregation. He then uses Eve to illustrate his reasons for this, saying that Eve was created after Adam and that Eve was "deceived", in that, she listened to the serpents words and began to long for the fruit. Paul shows that Adam's sin was different than Eve's, it was a willful sin. Adam was not tricked with the serpent's words, but sinned because he loved his wife more than God. Paul then goes back to woman's role in the congregation in verse 15. Most likely he was thinking of the woman's unique role of having children in order to keep them busy and not become "gossipers and meddlers in peoples affairs." Thus "saving" them by not "turning aside to follow Satan" with so much free time on their hands. (1 Tim 5:13-15) Perhaps our first connection to the saying: "Idle hands are the Devil's tools" ?? nah

Taken from the w65 3/15 p172 -mE

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Saul (Paul) vs Hitler. What was the difference ?

by google_mE in

what was the difference between saul (later called paul) and hitler ?.

both had a hand in persecuting and killing people.

both thought they were doing the work of god.

google_mE

What was the difference between Saul (later called Paul) and Hitler ?

Both had a hand in persecuting and killing people. Both thought they were doing the work of God. In their minds they were doing the "right" thing. However, Jesus appeared to Saul (Paul) and corrected his ignorant thinking. And as a result Paul changed his actions and helped many people come to know Jesus. Would Hitler have changed in a similar way if Jesus had appeared to him, as he did Paul ? Would millions of humans been saved from the holocaust if Jesus had made a simple appearance to this one man ? Was Hitler, potentially, the next great apostle ?

"Saul for his part, was approving of the murder of [Stephen]. Invading one house after another and, dragging out both men and women, [Saul] would turn them over to prison." (Acts 8:1,3) "Saul, still breathing threat and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest . . . in order that he might bring bound to Jerusalem any whom he found belonged to The Way, both men and women." (Acts 9:1,2)

"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." (Adolf Hitler - Mein Kampf)

Whats your take ?

-mE

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Scary JW Thinking About the Benefits of Bird Flu

by Severus in

i heard this from a pioneer recently.

"this bird flu will be the next major pestilence.

even if it wipes out millions, that would be a good thing because jehovah will be able to resurrect them.

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So then, hypothetically, if I were to kill everyone on earth, I would be saving their "real" life by giving them a chance to live forever in a paradise, who would otherwise be permanently killed by God. What then would God do with me ? A JW would say that he would permanently kill me for murder. Would that make me like Jesus ? Sacrificing my life so that others can live.

"No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his soul in behalf of his friends." (John 15:13)

-mE (of the "hypothetically speaking" class)

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Jan 15 Watchtower

by theredhead in

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here is the jan 15 2005 watchtower with the angels.

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I see a few of them with doubts on their minds.

They must be fading.

-mE

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What has been your response with telling "devout" JW's about the UN scandal

by booker-t in

i was talking to a elderly jw's lady at the donut shop the other day and i brought up the un and the wt scandal.

this woman told me that i was lying and that jw's leaders would never be apart of a "satanic" org as the un.

she said that "apostates" are spreading vivious lies about jw's and are only telling half truths.

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What's interesting, is that even if one does agree that, technically, nothing "wrong" was done by the Society . . . why didn't the Society follow Paul's advice of not causing others to stumble ? And stay completely away from the 'disgusting thing' so as not to stumble someone ?

"Therefore, if food makes my brother stumble, I will never again eat flesh at all, that I may not make my brother stumble." (1 Corinthians 10:13)

-mE

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Blood transfusion doesn't work for first 12 hours

by dmouse in

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forgive me, i have had a lot to drink.. however.... my daughter is 14 and still under her mother's jw guidence.

i told her that the statement ' a blood transfusion does not provide oxygenation for the first 12 hours' in (some 1970's blood brochure) was complete bollocks.. am i right?

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KID-A -- I recall the society claiming once that "personality" traits of the donor could be transmitted to the recipient during a blood transfusion. I remember my mother believing this crap and also
that personality traits were transferred by organ donations as well.

I wondered where my mom came up with this idea, because a few years ago we were having lunch and the topic came up that if a person had a heart transplant from a murderer, the person receiving the heart could become a murderer. LOL I thought she was joking at first. Pretty sad. -mE PS - After searching the CD-ROM, the article is "How is your heart?" from the w71 3/1

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To all active JWs or double life JWs

by NowImFree in

one of the previous posts made me wonder how many active jws post on this site and how many of you are only in because not wanting to lose your family and you are leading a double life and also how many of you are still active but questioning.

please, all of you, i would like to hear your stories (of course not enough info to give away your identity) and why you are still in.

i think a lot of us that are out would be interested.. nowimfree.

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I'm sure once my parents die, I'll stop attending or commit suicide. Breaking my mom's heart would be too painful to live with.

When I was younger, still at home, I lived a double life to keep the parents happy. Wrote 10hrs when I only did 5, etc. But, now that I moved away and attend a new congregation, I've been very honest with the elders. I'll write 0hrs if that's what I did. I've told them I'll only answer questions I feel are right (which are few & far between). If a brother asks me out in service with him, I'll either tell him kindly that I don't want to be a hypocrite and preach what I don't believe or I'll go out but won't talk at the doors. The only preaching work I count is when a work-mate asks me about holidays or stuff like that. I'm usually careful to say . . "Well, the witnesses believe. . . " And amazingly, the elders in this congregation have been very understanding, I mean, I'm not DF'ed or DA'ed yet . . . . . that I know of.

To be honest, I have more of a problem with God then I do with JW's. I love humans more than I love God. I don't hate the religion, like some on this board do, it's just annoying when something completely illogical is said from the platform and then you look around and everyone (mostly older ones) are nodding their head in agreement with what was said.

I guess hope is more powerful than truth.

-mE

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Witnessing The End

by Tyre in

witnessing the end.

time magazines has a record of it.

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,901074,00.html.

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Actually the new Armageddon year is the spring of 2009.

Jesus (last Adam) = 33½ years old (perfectly equals Adam's life)

autumn of 1975 = 6,000 yrs from creation of Adam.

autumn 1975 + 33½ = spring of 2009

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Has Jehovah already won..are we just waiting to see how?

by DavidChristopher in

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does anyone have thoughts on this?

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David...I know I already talked of this... YES I agree with you.
I do think that the big issues are won and we are just seeing it come together now.
1. issue that was brought up in the garden. Does God have the right to rule or is man
capable.? Man's rule now has been proven that it's a failure. The goverment is
proven the be in the wrong. Futile wars without a basis. (no WMD's) all proven.
We are just waiting now for it all to come together.

One thing I've never understood, is how JW's can say that Man's way of rule has failed ? When the Bible clearly states that the ruler of this world is Satan (not taking into account that God raises up worldly rulers and leads Satan around w/ hooks in his jaws). Take Satan out of the picture and you have a different world. Better ? Prolly not, but at least you've conducted an uncontaminated, legitimate experiment. The only thing this system proves is that Satan can't benefit man. That was evident when Cain killed Abel. Issue solved. So, then what does the rest of the thousands of years of murder & torture humans have to go through prove ? What a loving God. -mE

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