Thank you. I've visited Canada three times and I noticed no difference in our freedoms... Beautiful country. Canada is very similar to the United States as far as I an tell. But I wonder about other so called "free states"... how free are they, how do they compare to the United States. And again, I ask this in all sincerity, I truly want to know.
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A Sincere Question to Non-US Citizens
by lost_light06 inwith all politics aside .
do you wish you had the freedom of an american (united states) ?
now please, dont confuse this wanting to be an american.
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A Sincere Question to Non-US Citizens
by lost_light06 inwith all politics aside .
do you wish you had the freedom of an american (united states) ?
now please, dont confuse this wanting to be an american.
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With all politics aside
Do you wish you had the freedom of an American (United States) ? Now please, don’t confuse this wanting to BE an American. These are two different things. My question is: comparing the freedom in your country with the freedom in the United States. Which is truly more free? I ask this sincerely. I have only visited two other countries, Canada and the Dominican Republic, one was indiscernible from the U.S. the other a third world country (I’ll let the reader use discernment) As a United States citizen I often wonder if those in other nations have the same freedom as I do. The USA prides itself as being the only truly free nation on the earth, but I wonder…. Is that really so? -
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Got to ask the other question, do gentlemen prefer ladies?
by ldrnomo inif ladies prefer gentlemen then do gentlemen prefer ladies?.
just curious.
ld.
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As ludacris put it I "wanna lady in street but a freak in the bed"
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Another trip down memory lane
by lost_light06 inthe boe in my childhood congregation was probably the nicest and most sincere group of elders i have ever come across, at least the boe i grew up with.
i still hold each of them in high regard, they were truly very kind and caring people.
however, apparently before i was born (pre 79) and when i was a small child there was quite a bit of trouble in that cong.
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What really irritates me is that later in life when I would attend the DC’s with my mother and siblings I would always see those evil apostates with their signs about 1975 and false prophecies. I remember asking my mom about those signs and she quickly dismissed them as lies coming from bitter apostates. That is the standard JW line for apostates but what irritated me most was that my mom was there when so many brothers, including her husband, left or were forced to leave because of the WT lies. She just dismissed it, lending no credence to why these people were so upset.
Good work mom, 1975 was the first thing I researched when I started my journey out of the organization.
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Another trip down memory lane
by lost_light06 inthe boe in my childhood congregation was probably the nicest and most sincere group of elders i have ever come across, at least the boe i grew up with.
i still hold each of them in high regard, they were truly very kind and caring people.
however, apparently before i was born (pre 79) and when i was a small child there was quite a bit of trouble in that cong.
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The BOE in my childhood congregation was probably the nicest and most sincere group of elders I have ever come across, at least the BOE I grew up with. I still hold each of them in high regard, they were truly very kind and caring people. However, apparently before I was born (pre ’79) and when I was a small child there was quite a bit of trouble in that cong. At least two elder I know of were DF’d ". I’m not sure for what but I remember hearing stories of these former elders running ahead of FS car groups to warn their neighbors they were coming. I remember seeing "No JW" stickers on many doors in these same neighborhoods. Also, a few MS’s were df’d (my father among them) for adultery and other "wrong doings". One MS, my father’s best friend, was involved in a scandal in which his wife asked him to cheat on her so she could be free to divorce and remarry her new lover….. he complied, was df’d, and she went on to marry her boyfriend (who later cheated on her…… Karma is a bitch, ain’t it!) . The situation was so bad in that cong. that elders were brought in from surrounding congs. to fill the vacant positions. Those new elders are the BOE I grew up with.
One memory I have, not sure if this is before or after the "elder purge"…. I’m thinking before, was during the service meeting (after the ministry school). There was a question and answer session. A brother gave a comment. Another brother on the other side of the hall raised his hand and was called on. This brother then began to vehemently disagree with the first brothers comment. I don’t remember the subject but I clearly remember the brother saying "YOU ARE WRONG!". The conductor took control of things at that point but you could hear a pin drop in the congregation, It was like someone had just cut a stale egg fart and the whole congregation got a nose full. I don’t remember seeing the second brother around very much anymore.
I have always been curious on why there were so many apostates in my congregation, why so many elders and other brothers left, why brothers were getting in arguments during question and answer sessions at meetings. I heard their names for years to come, always along with some disparaging comments, but I never heard why they left. It didn’t occur to me until my exit from the watchtower that as a child I was witnessing the crumbling of a congregation from the backlash of 1975, and the great apostate purge of the early ‘80’s.
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A memory from my childhood.
by lost_light06 ini just remembered this today, though i would share.. .
there was one sister in my childhood cong.
that was mentally challenged.
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I just remembered this today, though I would share.
There was one sister in my childhood cong. that was mentally challenged. She was always very eager to participate, gave answers at every meeting (she would ramble on, sometimes for 5 minutes, until the conductor had to stop her). She was in field service almost every day and would go door to door, make return visits, try her best to spread the "good news".
I didn’t think anything of her other than she was that strange sister that talked funny and smelled like moth balls, no insult intended, I was a child and that’s what I thought. However, my sympathy for her grew when my father (who had faded and was a quiet apostate) told me that she at one time had been disfellowshipped. I didn’t know for what until high school when I helped take care of her mentally challenged son who was my age…. She had never been married.
My father had always had a problem with disfellowshipping and so at first I just brushed this bit of information off as his attempt to poison my spiritual mind. But that bit of information stuck with me…… it bothered me. Before I had doubts, before I lost faith in the WT, my conscience bothered me that the organization and the BOE would disfellowship a mentally challenged person. They had found her "un-repentant"….. did she even understand what that meant?!?
It still makes me sick to think what she went through, having a mentally challenged son, then having that son taken from her by the state because she was incapable of caring for him. All the while her only real support group, the congregation of Jehovah’s Witnesses, kicked her out, shunned her. That sister still attends meetings today, she still goes door to door spreading the "good news" of this organization that treated her so poorly. Sad.
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What Was The Silliest "Offense" That You Were Counseled For?
by minimus inwhen i was a teenager, i was told by an elder that because i smiled a lot and was known for my good sense of humor, that i should come across as "more serious".
so before i was appointed a ms, while in my late teens, i transformed myself into a much more "serious" brother.. were you ever told that you needed to work on something that you knew was stoopid?.
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Sitting next to my girlfriend at meetings (she later became my fiancé, then wife). We were told the older ones in the congregation viewed that as a sign that we were engaged and we might stumble them. I was a bit confused because I was always under the impression that an ENGAGEMENT RING was a sign that we were engaged….. silly me.
Along the same lines we were counseled that our courtship should last no longer than 6 months before we were engaged then our engagement should last no longer than 6 months before we were married. This, of course, was to protect us from our horny selves. Didn’t work, mind you, but they tried.
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How did you spend the memorial?
by sinis inpersonally, i stayed at home (my wife went), made steaks, drank beer, and watched several vulgar/demonic movies in the world of the jw's (halloween, the eye, hitman, no country for old men, saw iv).
i later went over to my mother in laws house to meet up with some other in laws - who i saved from the jw's - and talked about how the memorial was a waste of f@cking time... then drank more beer waiting for my wife to come back...
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I was with my wife preparing for a huge birthday kegger for her cousin on Saturday night.
That party sure beat the hell out of going to a Kingdumb Hell and passing around crackers and wine.
I would say good memories but I don't remember a whole lot
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They Push You In,,,,Then Punish You If You Go!
by new boy inthey brag about the fact that they the don' t baptize their babies because "how can a baby 'know' what religion it wants to believe in the rest of it's life!".
but a 14 year old does?.....they put so much presure on their children to get dunked, that if your not baptize by 18 years old there is something really "wrong" with you.. so the poor kid does it, just to get everyone off their backs.
legally a minor can't be held to a contract if they are under 18 years old and why?
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I was 18 years and 3 days old when I got baptized. Sure I was a legal adult but I had also been raised in the religion and had been pressured since my early teens to do it. When I finally told my mother, at the age of 27, that I would not be a JW anymore she said to me "but you made a dedication to Jehovah, a promise to serve him." I rebutted "I was 18, still in high school. If I had wanted to be married at that age you would have done anything to stop me, yet you let me make the supposedly most important decision of my life at that age".
"but you made a dedication" she says.
"I made a mistake, I can see that now that I’m older. Am I to be punished forever for that?"
"but you made a dedication"…………
Now she will not talk to me even though I am neither DF’d or DA’d. I "broke my promise to Jehovah" therefore I am un-worthy of her association. I made that promise when I was barely 18, still in high school. I had been such a sheltered JW robot that I refused to have a girlfriend through my school years. I never played sports or participated in after school activities. All of my friends were JW’s. I was socially retarded outside of the kingdom hall. Yet now, 11 years later I am held to that promise.
Side note: My brother is not a JW. He was never baptized and walked away when he was 17. He too was raised as a JW and knows the religion well. He does all the things I do now that I’m out of the borg. Celebrates holidays, birthdays, etc. My mother and sisters don’t shun him, but they shun me. Why? Because I got dunked in a pool.
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Were You Ever Counseled Because Of What You Wore (or didn't)?
by minimus inafter reading the thread about what is acceptable to wear and not wear in a factory run by jehovah's witnesses, i wondered whether any here ever got counseled or in trouble because of their fashion sense or attire.
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I got counseled by our CO that coloring my hair was considered to be a sign of homosexuality. I had dyed my hair brown with some friends for fun. Later I was counseled for cutting my hair too close, I had a buzz cut. Of course it was perfectly ok for the sisters to color their hair and the black brothers got no grief for completely shaving their head. But because I was white and male I could do neither as I would either be considered gay or a skin head.