You rock, blondie!
"The greatest eagerness of mind." < My heart was fully captivated, too!
"We cannot find the Scriptural guidance we need outside the "faithful and discreet slave" organization." < That's what stumbled me.
No Jesus Christ, no holy spirit. We were to self-lobotomize and OBEY the organization, disregarding plainly written scripture.
~Sue
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Book study suggestion for JWs on this forum
by I quit! inthe wt is doing away with the book study so why not replace it with a bible study.
no additional publication just read the bible and comment on it.
ask the members of your book study group if they would like to participate and invite others.
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Book study suggestion for JWs on this forum
by I quit! inthe wt is doing away with the book study so why not replace it with a bible study.
no additional publication just read the bible and comment on it.
ask the members of your book study group if they would like to participate and invite others.
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How many of us here were "stumbled" out of the "truth" by sincere, in-depth Bible study? Every time I had a question, my study conductor
would show up with a handy-dandy printout of articles off the WT CD, incapable of using scripture alone.
Those were not "satisfying answers" so I continued researching... this is how I avoided baptism and started on the route to reversing over 30
years of Jehovah's Witness brainwashing.
I quit's idea is a good one.
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Book study suggestion for JWs on this forum
by I quit! inthe wt is doing away with the book study so why not replace it with a bible study.
no additional publication just read the bible and comment on it.
ask the members of your book study group if they would like to participate and invite others.
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From blondie's WT quote: "Jesus and his apostles warned against such lawless ones."
What about the Bereans? Acts 17:11
What about Paul's counsel to "make sure of all things"? 1 Thessalonians 5:21
Using pharasaic Watchtower reasoning, the disciples in Berea were "such lawless ones"!
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Favorite Christmas movie
by poppers inalthough not a strictly "christmas" movie it has to be little women with winona ryder.
i recently saw the katherine hepburn version a few days ago and it was ok, but this one is really wonderful, with great music.
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Oh, Tom-Tom!
Babes in Toyland (March of the Wooden Soldiers) with Laurel & Hardy.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7971053188619845663&ei=3uRGSdj7O4fIqAKL9pidDw&q=toyland
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Need COC - Spanish Edition
by civicsi00 ini really need to get a copy of coc, but in spanish.
i've got a disfellowshipped aunt (who was d/f in 1993) but she is still very captive of the whole wt/fds thing.
(by the way, she didn't do anything "wrong", per se.
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Best wishes to you in helping your aunt, civics!
Here it is listed on a (currently free) book swapping service... you can sign up and put it on your "wish list."
http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9788476456767-Crisis+de+conciencia
Also, the owner of Old Lighthouse Books used to post on JWD. Maybe s/he can track one down for you.
http://www.oldlighthousebooks.com/
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Who here has lost their job?
by daniel-p ini found out a couple weeks ago i'll be losing my job by the end of the year.
despite having a bs, and almost a masters in a professional field, an outstanding education record, and having project management experience, i've had zero luck in getting a new job.
unfortunately, i don't live in a large metro area, and so opportunities for my line of work (governmental) are limited here.
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Add me to the list.
My company declared bankruptcy.
I survived the first two rounds of layoffs, but got hit on the third round due to lack of seniority.
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Hey Lurkers in the forum:
by Cheetos inhey lurkers those of you who used to use your own brain in the past do you ever miss thinking for yourself's on major situations rather than running to elders or scrambling to read wt articals.
hey did you forget it feels good.
there is this elder in our family he comes to drop off the magazines to my mom here at my house you would think as a holly elder he would not be rude by stopping and saying hello to my mom who is still an active jw, but he won't even set foot in the house becase as you can see i have a beard and don't go to meetings anymore i'm telling yeh now that is christian.. think of one major thing in you life that you can decide for youself that probley will get you into trouble if you decide for yourself, i can't.
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Employment, finding a mate, the way I dressed... I allowed my Watchtower upbringing to dictate these things to me all my life.
I lurked here for a long, long time and it was some posts like these that made me *think* about what I was getting myself into,
when I was studying in my 30's and thought I wanted to get baptized.
And I didn't! Snatched out of the fire, so to say.
When I was still living with the parental units years ago, the elders would come by unannounced to drop off magazines and
encourage my brother to return to meetings. If I answered the doorbell, they'd ask for him. No eye contact with Susie Reject.
My brother still remembers *to this day* how they'd love bomb him, but dismiss me as some piece of garbage, all because
some self-righteous sister canceled my study at age 19. But he was okay for just fading out at 18?
Therefore I don't find this post demeaning to lurkers; it confirms my own family's experiences. Others' mileage may differ.
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Two New Bibles Preach A Hip, Eco-Friendly Gospel
by betterdaze inby lynn neary .
morning edition, december 4, 2008 two new bibles targeting a young, hip even secular audience are hitting bookstores.
one is a slick, illustrated version of the new testament; the other is an environmentally friendly edition that takes advantage of the popularity of the green movement.
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BTS, imperial China, the Maya, etc. never existed on a global scale. The body of scientific knowledge and communications abilities we have today didn't even exist.
No different with the bible writers, who were even *less* knowledgeable.
Soviet Russia and modern-day China have a "lack of lineage in the Judeo-Christian tradition" as you put it. So what? The rapid industrialization in those nations
has been copied from "Judeo-Chrisitian" nations like the U.S. If we who live in "one nation under God" can rape the environment, why shouldn't they? They don't even
need the bible, they have *us* who supposedly follow it and founded our country on it.
I'm not blaming the bible for *all* environmental issues, it's foolish for you to even impute that. I do blame religionists of all faiths who believe the bible is some sort of
God-given excuse to use/abuse the earth and everything in it with his express backing.
Thanks for taking a topic about two new bible editions into some political rant against those Godless Commies, LOL! I'll respond to your other points later, if I feel like it.
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Two New Bibles Preach A Hip, Eco-Friendly Gospel
by betterdaze inby lynn neary .
morning edition, december 4, 2008 two new bibles targeting a young, hip even secular audience are hitting bookstores.
one is a slick, illustrated version of the new testament; the other is an environmentally friendly edition that takes advantage of the popularity of the green movement.
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I understand they are poles apart. But you cannot argue that these verses have been misused, for millennia, to degrade the earth, animals, plants, and yes, mankind.
After all, God's going to make a new heavens and a new earth, right? And doesn't it state in Revelation that God will (soon) destroy those destroying the earth?
And if you're going to heaven to live with Jesus — the planet earth being some sort of cosmic testing ground — why be concerned with "earthly" issues?
Just leave it in God's hands and he'll sort it out! Religion, and wars resulting from religion, have done a lot to destroy this planet and everything in it. And that attitude
goes right back to Genesis 1: "We can do it because our God said so, and he's gonna fix it all anyway."
That's not to say there aren't some common-sense environmental ideas in the Bible, there are. Like allowing a field to lay fallow every 7 years. I think that's what this
"Green Bible" addresses, and it's a good start for religionists to finally take some initiative on environmental issues in a context and comfort zone that meets their approval.
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Two New Bibles Preach A Hip, Eco-Friendly Gospel
by betterdaze inby lynn neary .
morning edition, december 4, 2008 two new bibles targeting a young, hip even secular audience are hitting bookstores.
one is a slick, illustrated version of the new testament; the other is an environmentally friendly edition that takes advantage of the popularity of the green movement.
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26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [b] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."
27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground."
29 Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
That's not tenuous, BTS, that's Genesis Chapter 1.
~Sue