HA, Another watchtower lie!
They say on the CD that these pages are suppose to get to 1914 from 606 BC, well their is nothing here about how they came to that date, it just appears magically!
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JC ON TAPE
by SickofLies inhttp://neocrat.com/sol.mp3 .
http://www.savefile.com/files/1740618
sorry for the long file, is there anyone that can clean this up a bit, the quality is actually pretty good considering the mic was hidden and i was in a big room.
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I just got an IM someone has gone and taken the liberity of mirroring all my audio files on their website, anyone who has had trouble with savefile try going here:
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The WT-CD quotes from pg.97-99 from my bound volume here are the pages in question:
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*** w55 1/1 pp. 7-8 Part 1: Early Voices (1870-1878) ***
In January, 1876, Charles Russell for the first time received a copy of the monthly magazine The Herald of the Morning as published by the Rochester group headed by Nelson H. Barbour. A meeting was soon arranged between Russell and Barbour, since it was discovered that their views were the same concerning Christ’s second coming as being invisible. As a result the Pittsburgh Bible group of nearly thirty decided to affiliate with the Rochester group slightly larger in number. Russell became a joint editor along with Barbour for The Herald of the Morning. The Pittsburgh group on Russell’s initiative agreed to finance a small printing place in Rochester for the joint printing undertakings. It was also decided to publish a bound book containing their joint views, the work being completed by 1877. The 194-page publication was entitled "Three Worlds or Plan of Redemption," by Barbour and Russell as joint authors. During this time Russell at the age of twenty-five began to sell out his business interests and went full time into the preaching work, going from city to city to talk to various gatherings of the public, on the streets and, Sundays, in Protestant churches, where he could arrange such with the clergy.
This book set forth their belief that Christ’s second presence began invisibly in the fall of 1874 and thereby commenced a forty-year harvest period. Then, remarkably accurately, they set forth the year 1914 as the end of the Gentile times.—Luke 21:24.
"Hence, it was in B.C. 606, that God’s kingdom ended, the diadem was removed, and all the earth given up to the Gentiles. 2520 years from B.C. 606 will end in A.D. 1914, or forty years from 1874; and this forty years upon which we have now entered is to be such ‘a time of trouble as never was since there was a nation.’ And during this forty years, the kingdom of God is to be set up (but not in the flesh, ‘the natural first and afterwards the spiritual’), the Jews are to be restored, the Gentile kingdoms broken in pieces ‘like a potter’s vessel,’ and the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of our Lord and his Christ, and the judgment age introduced."—Three Worlds or Plan of Redemption, pp. 83, 189.
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*** ka chap. 11 pp. 186-188 "Here Is the Bridegroom!" ***
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TIMES"—"THE TIMES OF THE GENTILES"5
In the course of their Bible studies, these searching students took up a consideration of the "times of the Gentiles," as spoken of by Jesus at Luke 21:24 (AV), and they associated those Gentile Times with the "seven times" mentioned four times in Daniel, chapter four, verses 16, 23, 25, 32. What did those Bible students determine to be the date for those "seven times" of Gentile domination of the earth to end legally before God? Well, at that time there was a monthly magazine being published in Brooklyn, New York, by one George Storrs, and it was called "Bible Examiner." In the year 1876 the twenty-four-year-old Russell made a contribution on the subject to this magazine. It was published in Volume XXI, Number 1, which was the issue of October, 1876. On pages 27, 28 of that issue Russell’s article was published under the title "Gentile Times: When Do They End?" In that article (page 27) Russell said: "The seven times will end in A.D. 1914."
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In the following year (1877) Russell joined with one Nelson H. Barbour, of Rochester, New York, in publishing a book entitled "Three Worlds, and the Harvest of This World." In this book it was set forth that the end of the Gentile Times in 1914 C.E. would be preceded by a period of forty years marked by the opening of a harvest of three and a half years, beginning in 1874 C.E. This harvest was understood to be under the invisible direction of the Lord Jesus Christ, whose presence or parousia began in the year 1874. Shortly afterward was understood to be the beginning of the great antitypical Jubilee for mankind, that had been foreshadowed by the ancient "jubilee" observances of the Jews under the law of Moses. (Leviticus, chapter twenty-five) According to the Bible chronology that was thereafter adopted, the six thousand years of man’s existence on the earth ended in the year 1872 but the Lord Jesus did not come at the end of those six millenniums of human existence, rather, at the start of the antitypical Jubilee in October of 1874. The year 1874 was calculated as being the end of six millenniums of sin among mankind. From this latter date mankind was understood to be in the seventh millennium.—Revelation 20:4.
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From that understanding of matters, the "chaste virgin" class began going forth to meet the heavenly Bridegroom in the year 1874, as they believed him to have arrived in that year and to be from then on invisibly present. They felt that they were already living in the invisible presence of the Bridegroom. Due to this fact, when Charles T. Russell began publishing his own religious magazine in July of 1879, he published it under the title "Zion’s Watch Tower and Herald of Christ’s Presence." He had already become familiar with Wilson’s The Emphatic Diaglott, which translated the Greek word pa·rou·si´a as "presence," not "coming," in Matthew 24:3 and elsewhere. The new magazine was heralding Christ’s invisible presence as having begun in 1874. This presence was to continue until the end of the Gentile Times in 1914, when the Gentile nations would be destroyed and the remnant of the "chaste virgin" class would be glorified with their bridegroom in heaven by death and resurrection to life in the spirit. Thus the class pictured by the five wise virgins would enter through the door into the wedding.
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This is interesting, look at what Russell says about the one true name:
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I just have to share my new religion with you all...
by Fleur ini discovered this website and the fsm some time ago and knew it was the faith for me.
i think that you should all consider joining me in becoming a pastafarian...please see here...http://www.venganza.org/flash/guidetopastafarianismpreloaded.swf how can any religion that considers pirates divine beings be wrong???.
if it's wrong, man, i just don't wanna be right.. love to all.
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ENLIGHTENMENT INSTITUTE
"The onus is on the people who want to believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster to find evidence that [He] is there." -- Richard DawkinsFSM is not only a groundbreaking religion, but also supported by hard science, making it probably the most unquestionably true theory ever put forth in the history of mankind.
String theory - all matter is created of little noodle-like strings. Coincidence?
Bacteria Flagella - can anything that complex and noodle-like have happened by accident? Heresy.
But obviously we need more evidence of His existence, and so we are developing the Enlightenment Institute - a think tank devoted to proving our a priori assumption that He exists using whatever specious arguments and circular logic available to do so. Because, in case you haven't been paying attention, this is totally legit in matters of religion, and increasingly in politicalized science. So get to work and submit your findings asap. This is important.
Science Creative Quarterly, the first science publication to take notice of the obvious legitimacy of FSM, is now helping us start up the Enlightenment Institute by offering a valuable prize for the best evidence of His existence - $100 worth of Ramen (~1000 packets). That is a lot of Ramen. Go to SCQ to see the details of the contest and send your submissions directly to them.
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Another Newbie
by Priest73 inout since 98. i've posted once or twice, but mostly lurk.
i figured it was time to introduce myself.
maybe if i've feeling the 'love' =-) i'll share my story...
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