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1975 Article: The Mental Health of Jehovah's Witnesses

by Wild_Thing in

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taken from http://bjp.rcpsych.org/cgi/content/abstract/126/6/556

the british journal of psychiatry 126: 556-559 (1975).

1975 the royal college of psychiatrists the mental health of jehovah's witnesses

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Hi MsMcDucket

I know that I brought problems with me when I first encountered "the meetings" but things got really much worse as "the meetings" went on. And on.

I also saw that some witnesses are worse than depressed but actually believe they are demon possessed. This I believe is brought about by belief in demons, satan, YHWH.

I understand completely that you no longer believe in "the bible". Neither do I. I recommend Joseph Wheler "Is it God's Word", from 1926 (I'm trying to find the weblink where you can get the ebook free). I'm sorry that he was a southerner with a view that the "Aryan" race was the noble race, but he still does a brilliant demolition of the bible and it will be useful information for you to have when talking to your daughters. After having done a little research, below are my thoughts on YHWH.

The actions scripturally attributed to this YHWH elohim are indeed satanic.
YHWH elohim and Satan appear to be one and the same in several verses in La
Biblia, and in other parts of the Bible they keep each others company, such
as in the Book of Job. While most of the actions attributed by the Bible to
YHWH (apart from creation which is alternatively credited to Elohim or to
YY) are indeed satanic and evil, nevertheless both Satan and YHWH gods are
figments of the imagination, a very sick imagination.

The true YHWH elohim of the bible reveal themselves in the book of Judges
Chapter 11. There Jephthah promises YHWH that if he is given victory over
the children of Ammon he will certainly make a human sacrifice to YHWH out
of his own household. YHWH being a figment of Jephthah’s own imagination,
does not respond, not even in his imagination. Jephthah gains victory over
the children of Ammon and superstitiously gives YHWH credit. YHWH being but
a conception of Jephthah’s own mind, does not respond. Jephthah hopes for
some form of intervention and sends his daughter away for two months to
grieve. However, unlike the story of Abraham, where the writer of Genesis
gave his YHWH some compassion, and had him call down upon Abraham not to
sacrifice Isaac, the YHWH of Jephthah’s imagination was silent, mute and
compassionless. (I am not talking about some real God here, but the
charectaristics of the YHWH of Jephthah’s imagination). And Jephthah
sacrificed his daughter.

YHWH and Satan do not exist except that we give them existence in our own
imaginations. This is the real YHWH unmasked.

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JWs & Illegal/Undocumented Immigrants

by doinmypart in

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there is legislation in the u.s. congress regarding illegal/undocumented immigrants.

part of the language deals with churches assisting illegal immigrants.. much of the increase in the u.s. branch is due to growth of spanish-speaking congregations, and a large part of these congregations are made up of illegal/undocumented immigrants.

a typical spanish congregation often needs help.

hallelujah

XJW4EVR	Re: JWs & Illegal/Undocumented Immigrants
	You have tapped one of my pet peeves, illegal immigration. ; I live in L.A. and I watch in horror as the sovreignty & laws of the U.S. are violated on an hourly basis. Unfortunately, niether political party in the U.S. has a clue about the damage they are doing by continuing to allow this to take place.

Hi EXJW4EV

I seem to remember that the whole of California, (Like Australia) was wrested away from it's original inhabitants by force in the Mexican-American War of 1846-1848. Only difference is that in California, it was first taken from the Indians by the Spanish, who constituted it Mexico, and then it was simply taken away at murderpoint by the United States. A little bit like the biblical tales of extermination and ethnic cleansing by the Israelites in the name of YHWH.

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The Watchtower isn't all bad. Some things I'd like to say in their defence.

by nicolaou in

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ha!

d'ya think i've gone completely mad?

hallelujah

We would have all had to have been COMPLETELY MAD if there was no reason at all why we went to the KH in the first place

I think of it like 1080 bait. They have to put a little food up for us to eat the poison

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GB claims divinity for anointed

by hallelujah in

in the "insight on the scriptures" book at page 474 and 639 the wtbts states that the anointed are divine in nature.

divine in strong's hebrew lexiconography is defined as sovereign, and in greek lexiconography as theos, or godhead or divinity (see strong's lexicon excerpts below the excerpts from insight book).. divine.

nature.

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Thanks Ozzie

I couldn't agree more. This issue was actually the key to me seeing the lie of the WT theology. From the start I could never accept the 144,000 thing. Whenever I tried to see common ground and say to witnesses that I appreciate the teachings of Jesus, i.e. turn the other cheek, love thy enemy, I was stonewalled by the witnesses insistence on the importance of the 144,000.

Dan

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Diary of an Unborn Child - switch your rational mind off for ten minutes.

by nicolaou in

this article from awake!

in may 1980 is an example of the worst sort of emotional argument.

i'm just going to post it, barf, and then comment later.. *** g80 5/22 p. 16 ***.

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funkyderek

I used to think that an unborn child was just a potential human being. Accusing the other side of extremism is par for both pro-lifers as well as pro-choicers. The joke has been made on pro-lifers that every sperm is sacred. However the other side is not a joke - is a baby with it's head having been born into the world, but his or her body still within his mother, not a human simply because some long dead English judge said that the child was not human till it was fully separated from his/her mother and taken an independent breath? Is it alright to pierce his/her brain with a coat-hanger simply because you can't see his/her legs?

I am today a human being. I am potentially also a human being tomorrow. I am potentially also a former human being tomorrow. Doesn't give anyone the right to murder me.

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Is there depression in the new system???

by hallelujah in

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cause there's certainly depression in the wt world.

dan

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Hi Blondie

Thanks for the great link. I never would have thought to parallell Jehovah's Organisation with Angka, The Organisation, (known outside of Democratic Kampuchea as the Khmer Rouge or Khmer Reds) which terrorised Cambodia after year zero.

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GB claims divinity for anointed

by hallelujah in

in the "insight on the scriptures" book at page 474 and 639 the wtbts states that the anointed are divine in nature.

divine in strong's hebrew lexiconography is defined as sovereign, and in greek lexiconography as theos, or godhead or divinity (see strong's lexicon excerpts below the excerpts from insight book).. divine.

nature.

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faithful anointed Christians, they "may become sharers in divine nature,

the GB as author of the WT claims the hope of divinity for 'anointed Christians'.

Thus it is evident that the sharing of Christians in "divine nature" is a sharing with Christ in his glory. ;

Here the WTBTS (or GB) is referring to Christians as meaning anointed Christians. The term "Christian" in this context as used by the WTBTS does not include 'other sheep'

this is a sharing with Christ in his glory as spirit persons,

It is quite evident this is not referring to 'other sheep'

I do not really care whether the authors of the WT in Brooklyn believe 'the anointed' will be reincarnated on some higher plane. It is when they teach a distinction between mankind, the anointed and the other sheep, that I am really appalled.

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What about calling out to Jah?

by hallelujah in

the big to me is what about jehovah.

after years of calling out to jah, literally, i start to wonder whether jah really helps me or rather it's just a type of mantra.

i have started thinking that i have to look after myself.

hallelujah

I know single 40 yo sisters still persistently praying for a husband, why didn't God help them?

Hi JW Facts

The Yahweh God will not help them because he is a figment of a demented male bigot's imagination who loves virgin sacrifice - see for instance the sacrifice of Jephthah's daughter in Judges xi (links below) and a history of human sacrifice by the Israelites (being an Israelite was no protection either, especially for virgin women). A JW elder actually told me that it's best not to have any children because we are in the time of the end. The hypocrisy was mind boggling since he was married with children of his own.

In regards to the Aboriginal congregations, just as many Aboriginal people are sort of hidden amongst the wider society, so too there are vast numbers of both witnesses and associates who are in the grip of fear of this Jehovah cult. They are kept separate in a segregated Aboriginal congregation just as in the South of the United States segregation in the WT world survived well into the civil rights era.

This beastly figment of the imagination Yahweh accepted virgin sacrifices just like any other pagan god

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What about calling out to Jah?

by hallelujah in

the big to me is what about jehovah.

after years of calling out to jah, literally, i start to wonder whether jah really helps me or rather it's just a type of mantra.

i have started thinking that i have to look after myself.

hallelujah

Hi Fairmind

I've come to the conclusion that Jesus Father - Our Father who are't in heaven - is not Yahweh/Jehovah. We have to remember that the bible is not inspired of God, but a manmade and man-altered document. I do believe Jesus actual words in many places shine through and have survived the adulteration. Teachings such as love thy enemies, do not sin anymore, forgive them for they know not what they do.

We do not need Jehovah.

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Judicial Committees

by Honesty in

in light of the following scriptures regarding jesus, how do judicial committees and their members composed of three elders even remotely follow jesus' teaching and example?.

at dawn he went to the temple complex again, and all the people were coming to him.

he sat down and began to teach them.. then the scribes and the pharisees brought a woman caught in adultery, making her stand in the center.

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Wow Jgnat

I'm a fourth year law student and it never even occurred to me that the Judicial arm of the WT government ought to be held to the principles of open court, principles which the WTBTS is supposed to support when it comes to the nations which are under the power of the wicked one Jehovah, which is called King of the nations (Jehovah - Jer 10:7).