Posts by hallelujah

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Undenying Jesus the man, son of Joseph & Mary - not begotten of God

by hallelujah in

in my disassociation letter i said i deny jesus.

of course i over-reacted - i do not deny jesus the man, in fact i undeny him.

but i do deny what i consider to be the fraudulent writings about him in the bible.

hallelujah

Hi Nark

Talking about the power of "for it is written" do you know anything about "The Word". This phrase never really washed with me and always seemed like an effort to be mystical.

I have also had to abandon the premise which I formerly held that there may be something salvagable from the actual words attributed to Jesus. I consider them no more certain than hearsay to the hundredth degree. Together with the decorations and stories surrounding these words, I think the actual words attributed to Jesus whether in life or in death can be given no special importance over anything else one may read in any section of any newspaper or any book in any library of the world. To assume that he may have said them undermines rational thought because it would not be possible that it would have been preserved and conveyed except through divine providence, an argument which rests on belief and faith which I no longer have in the Bible.

Regards

Dan

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Israel: The wife of Jehovah {Understanding Christian Zionism}

by sf in

http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?580

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scofield's literalism extended even to exact verbal phraseology.

hallelujah

Reading those quotes about the mess Christians and Zionists (and Islam too since it is based on these two) have gotten themselves into reminds me of methinks Shakespeare (is it?):

Oh what a tangled web we weave

When first we practice to deceive

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Israel: The wife of Jehovah {Understanding Christian Zionism}

by sf in

http://www.cornerstonemag.com/pages/show_page.asp?580

scrolling down to:.

scofield's literalism extended even to exact verbal phraseology.

hallelujah

Hi Skally

This is a really interesting topic since I think that Zionist fundamentalism is at the roots of a terrible conflict and must be abandoned and disavowed. I've got a few posts about this, I'll extract part of one of my posts below;

http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/29/115409/7.ashx

By the way, the Naturei Karta movement of Judaism regards ZIonism as one of the worst forms of idolatory. There is a strong body of Jewish anti-Zionist literature, such as Uri Davis, Apartheid Israel, Zed Books, 2003. I am also interested in the case of Tali Fahima - a Jewish woman who believes that Hebrews and Arabs can live together and who acted as a human shield for the head of the Al-Aqsa Martyr's Brigade in opposition to the Israeli policy of assasinations. At first I didn't know what to make of this but when you look at it it's a powerful statement against racialism.

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My Friend is dying

by oldflame in

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two weeks ago a very dear friend of 20 years had a heart attack.

he went to the hospital and they inserted three stents.

we all thought he was going to do well afterwards.

hallelujah

Brother death doesn't come in threes. All we can do is to try to be as innerly healthy as possible in relation to each other so as to help them.

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Name the good things that Jw's have or believe....

by AK - Jeff in

we always seem to get focused on the bad - and there is plenty of it for sure - and anyone who follows my posts knows i am no wt apologist by any stretch.

but focusing on the postive is a good thing in the 'moving on' process i think too.

what do you think jw's had right?.

hallelujah

The WTBTS and the Jehovah's Witness congregations, have many intelligent people in the organisation who collectively have applied their minds to many social problems and arrived at what they consider to be the best solution.

The problem is the manner in which such decisions are reached, and the way in which they are taught as innerant truth.

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Undenying Jesus the man, son of Joseph & Mary - not begotten of God

by hallelujah in

in my disassociation letter i said i deny jesus.

of course i over-reacted - i do not deny jesus the man, in fact i undeny him.

but i do deny what i consider to be the fraudulent writings about him in the bible.

hallelujah

Thanks Nark and Terry

I agree wholeheartedly. In fact, there is no such thing as Christ, rather a collection of writings (scriptures) commonly called the New Testament. But surely Nark by the time the New Testament was being put together and the final touches and additions, subtractions, obliterations and alterations made, they would have known that it had moved beyond story into the realm of dogma and "truth"? It is in this sense that I use the word "fraudulent", especially since the process has been ongoing and accelerated through the translations into English, etcetera. Probably the fact of writing was itself so awesome for wholly illiterate peoples that "for it is written" assumed a meaning which ~~would~~ should not prevail today.

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I think I did something very "sick" and embarassing

by kristyann in

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friends

okay... so i am super embarassed once again.

this time what happened is too embarassing to share, i think.

most people would probably tell me i am gross, too, and most of you would probably not even want to hear it so i guess that i am better off not sharing it here.

hallelujah

I know it's a platitude but everyone makes mistakes and has to go on. That's how we learn.

Dan

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Undenying Jesus the man, son of Joseph & Mary - not begotten of God

by hallelujah in

in my disassociation letter i said i deny jesus.

of course i over-reacted - i do not deny jesus the man, in fact i undeny him.

but i do deny what i consider to be the fraudulent writings about him in the bible.

hallelujah

Thank you Dianna

Yes my DA letter actually shot from the hip. I am glad that Islam does not believe in original sin.

I do not wish to offend. Really I made the statement concerning Judaism, Christianity and Islam, because all three were based, it seems to me, on the Yahweh of the bible. I was also struck by the following apparent translation of a section from the Quran from Joseph Wheless "Is it God's Word" and would appreciate if you can tell me whether this is actually in the Quran and if so an accurate translation of the Arabic;

IS IT GOD'S WORD? 397

"Verily, those who disbelieve our signs, we will surely cast to be broiled in hell fire; so often as
their skins shall be well burned, we will give them other skins in exchange, that they may taste the sharper torment; for Allah is mighty and wise" (Sutra iv)! [sic, sura]

This to me, if it is in the Quran, would appear to be wholly superflous. Actually I think that Christianity and Islam grafted onto the Hebrew scriptures Indian religious philosophies of after life in it's various manifestations of re-incarnation (Hindu) or alternatively rebirth (Buddhist) in the various upper or lower planes of existence, humankind allegedly forming the middle plane.

It was the hell doctrine quoted here by Wheless which led me to call Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, cults of devilry. I'm sorry if I offended anyone.

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For Sh***ing One - Do I represent Christ Properly?

by jgnat in

me: s***ing one: where have i complained about scripture?

he: then you have now changed your mind and believe that all scripture is inspired?

me: as others have already helpfully pointed out, questioning and complaining are completely different.

hallelujah

Hi Shining One

The other day I compared the alleged genealogies of Jesus in Mathew, Luke, and Genesis. None of them match up at all. In fact they are absolutely contradictory, as a kindergarten student could well perceive.

Dan

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Undenying Jesus the man, son of Joseph & Mary - not begotten of God

by hallelujah in

in my disassociation letter i said i deny jesus.

of course i over-reacted - i do not deny jesus the man, in fact i undeny him.

but i do deny what i consider to be the fraudulent writings about him in the bible.

hallelujah

In my disassociation letter I said I deny Jesus. Of course I over-reacted - I do not deny Jesus the man, in fact I undeny him. But I do deny what I consider to be the fraudulent writings about him in the bible. How can the two be reconciled when the evidence of Jesus existence is effectively the Bible? Well I consider that there must be some factual existence underlying the Gospels, i.e. that a man, Jesus preached to do good to others and was crucified for challenging authority. In that I stand for Jesus. However I do also believe that his story has been made into a composite God man by later writings, such as the imputation of virgin birth, rising from the dead, rising to heaven (which is widely assumed to mean flying physically upwards into the sky), asking everyone to eat his flesh and drink his blood. Who is to know what was said and what was later imputed to him by fraudulent writers. I have no right to deny him (if he existed as a man).