what i did was tell my wifes story on the site, not only did they delete the post but also kicked me out.
so now i am df from the site, they are so loving.
nordic
At JWOTW we are striving to upbuild one anothers faith. It is for this reason that we will be deleting your membership
......correction.........
At JWOTW we are striving to make the appearance of upbulding one anothers faith. If you shatter that appearance, neither your truthfulness or your apparent need of spiritual support and comfort will be accepted. It is for this reason that we will be deleting your membership.
Now.......doesn't that statement sound much closer to the truth?
once again, whomever you are, you are too chicken shit to talk to me directly.
i am so angered that you once again, although i gave you my # and email address with which to contact me, have decided to take information that i have posted directly to the elders.
again, werent you supposed to come to me???
geeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz - don't these people have a life??
I am soooooo glad that I am out of that now - no more looking over my shoulder in fear that I might be turned in for some stupid little thing, for asking a no-no question - even accused of things I DIDN'T do.
I'm sorry you are being put through this. Some "brotherly love" eh?! If I thought one of my friends was doing something wrong I would talk to them face to face - try to convince them to get on the right track. I wouldn't want to throw them right into the fire. But then again - I have learned about the true Jesus and his grace - I guess I have finally lost that JW "conform or you shall die" mentality.
i've recently stopped attending meetings, due to being disillusioned with the truth.
but, i am confused on how to commemorate the memorial.
i don't want to go to the hall.
"JWs can get over 10 million people together on one evening around the world and collectively reject Jesus, refusing to partake of the bread and the wine"
EXACTLY!! I refuse to go to a celebration where they celebrate NOT following a commandment. Geezzz
My recommendation - get together with a few friends that share your beliefs, or maybe even just support you and celebrate in the manner that feels most comfortable to you. If you want to partake - do - if you don't feel comfortable yet (I didn't for about 2 years) then don't - just pray to him, tell him how you feel and he will understand and work with you in the place that you are now.
an idea i have been exploring for a while is the possibility that god is dreaming, and that we are all part of it.
mystics that strayed into pantheism, if there were any on this board would have input.
i hope to hear from pagans and buddhists as well.
I have a number of friends in the scientific field (nuclear). A while back one of these friends told me that atoms tend to phase in and out of existence. I found that strange - they're not ALWAYS there - they kind of come and go. So WHERE do they go & come back from?? Interesting when you start to think about that in connection to a spiritual belief.
Perhaps we don't really exist anywhere except in God's mind.
truth book (1981), page 52:.
of the resurrection to heavenly life, the bible says: it is sown a physical body, it is raised up a spiritual body.
*** the watchtower, march 15th 1954 issue, page 187 ***.
THANK YOU!!
I cut/pasted this into my wordprocessor and printed it out. It will come in handy as I will be having some discussions with my family soon.
this is the tale of a young man that had a bright future as a cellist..he was only sixteen and things were looking bright if not for the very one that was supposed to be the head of the household.
we'll call him jack...short for jackass btw.
jack was a violent man, living and conducting himself as an upstanding jw in the eyes of the congregation...he beat his wife, married his 16 year old daughter off to some cretin, mistreated his other daughter, and finally took much aggression out on his sons...well jack did a real good job of beating the hope out of the prodigal one...he gave up playing cello and ran away from home to join the navy during vietnam...the rest of his life was hard and being rather tall, even for a prodigal one, his body got tired after a hard life...congenital lung disease, several bad motorcycle wrecks/suicide attempts imo, he's dying now..on a respirator...to complicate things, his wife of more than 15 years died today of congestive heart failure and complications from open heart surgery....you see, he never went home because there is not one to go back to...his mother died of cancer , jack left his first family and moved on to abuse two others while remaining a jw (not one now as far as i know) and has not been heard from for years.
((((((((((Valis))))))))))))
It is so hard to loose someone - even harder when they have been so mistreated. I am sorry for you and your Uncle.
for me, it's the "faithful and discreet slave class".
The stupidest thing I believed was that if I did enough (service, meetings, study, etc) I would be saved. I just about ran myself into the ground trying to get saved so my son wouldn't die at Armageddon - all I ended up doing was getting sick, depressed, and disfellowshipped.
What never occured to me is........"If I can get there on my own by doing enough good things, what was the purpose of Jesus' sacrifice?". Of course I can't do enough to get saved - noone can. Once I finally realized that and accepted Jesus into my life I started to heal.
Oh......and..............If I'm raped and don't scream I've committed a sin
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how long can you go without drinking one drop of alcohol, beer, wine, whatever contains alcohol?.
in my case, it must be 5 years
Ok - this thread is making me thirsty. Time to go get a beer
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i have been doing a lot of contemplating on this statement by jesus.
i have some ideas on what it means - and how it affects my feelings towards jw's and all other belief systems.. but i'm curious what you guys think - have you thought about this statement?
I have been doing a lot of contemplating on this statement by Jesus. I have some ideas on what it means - and how it affects my feelings towards JW's and all other belief systems.
But I'm curious what you guys think - have you thought about this statement? What does it mean to you?
and would you personally, be able to make a clear explanation as to why the witnesses are so wrong??
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Here's one approach. (typical response shown in red - I've tried this before) Ask them how important it is to know that the bible you use is an accurate translation (well very). Then ask them how someone can research to be sure the bible they use is an accurate translation (uhm........) Perhaps by researching the language background and education of the translators, to make sure they didn't pick up a "Learn Greek in 20 days" manual and go from there (yea....that would be good). Open their NWT and ask them how they could do this with their own. (well, the names aren't there because we don't give credit to any one person, only Jehovah) Ok - but it was a "person" that translated it - so how do you know that he was knowledgable about the hebrew and Greek languages. (some comment now to get off the topic).
It's a baby step - gets someone to start thinking. Some of these same questions entered my mind and started my path to freedom.
