Posts by sparky1

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Are GB accountable for deaths for changing policy ?

by Chook in

example blood factions, organ transplants.

suicide from disfellowshipping , breaking up family's with old oral sex policy.

sparky1

"I think claiming the WTS policy on oral sex is responsible for a family breakup is a little far-fetched to be honest." - Simon

Actually, this happened to the brother of my roommate at Watchtower Farms. His wife used this 'rule' to divorce her husband who was an Elder at the time......she claimed that he forced himself on her. It was a very complicated case. He wound up disfellowshiped and divorced. One of the Elders who may have been on their committee ( I can't remember if he was actually on the committee or not, but was aware of the case because he already had a 'thing' for this sister) pulled the same shit on his wife and claimed that she forced herself on him! Then this Elder married the sister. The 'loophole' worked for them very well. His only punishment was that he was removed as an Elder. Only in Watchtowerland can insane policies be implemented whose unintended consequences are worse than the 'sins' that they are designed to protect against!

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"back in the day people didn't know not to abuse kids"- a jw explanation for their abuse scandal

by purrpurr in

a few weeks back i showed the guardian article about the borg refusing to cooperate with the charity commission into child abuse to a fellow jw.

their response was quite amazing.

they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse, didn't know it was wrong and no one really believed children when they claimed they had been abused - even worldly people.. they said that alot of the time children lie about being abused or therapists plant false memories in their heads and that apostates lie about being abused to undermine our faith.. about the borg not cooperating with the commission they said that it was probably because they wanted to protect the identities of jw's who had been abused.

sparky1

"they told me that in the 50s-80s people didn't know about child abuse.....even worldly people" - a fellow JW

purrpurr, you can tell that witness that he/she is full of BULLSHIT. Typical Jehovah's Witness reaction to something that they would rather not face up to; making a sweeping generalization that has NO basis in FACT in order to defend their weak position. I had a great uncle ( who was not a Jehovah's Witness) that was molesting children and family members since the 1920's! Each time he was caught, he was sent to prison for 'lewd and unnatural acts against a child' ( I could not tell you the exact law and statute) After he would serve his time for a particular sentence, he would repeat his CRIME and be sent back to prison; he died in prison in the late 1970's after spending the majority of his adult life behind bars. The issue of child abuse in society has been known about since the beginning of time but has only been faced squarely and brought out into the open in about the last 40 years.

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People hate God?

by looter in

jw
friends

it is a pain that certain individuals pride themselves on hating god, who created everything.

like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

i'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the lord.

sparky1

Thanks, Saename for opening my eyes! How could anyone hate a pink unicorn!

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People hate God?

by looter in

jw
friends

it is a pain that certain individuals pride themselves on hating god, who created everything.

like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

i'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the lord.

sparky1

http://youtu.be/oi94MDgk9t8

Looter......did you hear this much growing up?

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Idiotic elder training video

by CookieMonster in

so i stumbled across this the other day, please excuse me if it has already been posted.

don't know what you think but i found this idiotic, casting stereotypes and dangerous.

so the scenario goes something like this, young brother finds himself in the company of a young lady at a bar.

sparky1

Elder Milquetoast, Elder Passive and Elder Weakling all giving 'Biblical counsel' to young Brother Nerd about sexual matters. In the whole group, I would venture to guess that not one of them has the ability to produce an earth shattering, multi orgasmic experience for a sexually healthy woman. If this video wasn't so sad, it would be hilarious. It seems to me: that you just can't make this shit up!

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People hate God?

by looter in

jw
friends

it is a pain that certain individuals pride themselves on hating god, who created everything.

like it's understandable that you choose to not believe in him because of your selfishness or thinking skills but to hate him is forcing it a bit.

i'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the lord.

sparky1

"I'm very thankful that those such as myself have the courage to believe in the Lord." -Looter

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Dave Meyers, JW Elder/Former NBA Player died

by Iamallcool in

jw
friends

he died last year, did anyone here already know about his death?

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/dave_meyers_(basketball).

sparky1

WOW!................. I never met Dave, but I understand that he was a really nice person. This has brought back a really good memory for me. Back in the mid '70's, after I left Watchtower Farms, I was given the gift of a solid 14k gold Timex watch. It was re-gifted to me by someone that received it directly from him! Thanks for posting this news, although it is sad, it brings back a great memory for me. Unfortunately, the watch was stolen from my shop and never recovered.

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A sucker is born every minute

by Sour Grapes in

i was an elder in the 1970's and i was not a big fan of the "stay alive until 75" dogma.

i was looked down upon by the heavy hitters on the body of elders and in time i changed my mind.

i knew of the failed prophecy of 1914 being the end of all times which was repeated for the year 1925...yet i came to believe well maybe this time they've got it right.. with every new watchtower, i combed over every word to find support for my change in my belief that the end was coming in fall of 1975. at the district assembly in 1975, everyone clung onto every word in the final talk.

sparky1

"WingCommander and Toesup, I am not a loon! I have no interest in what you speak about. After all, I am a grown, adult male and it is my conviction that I will be wed to another grown, adult male as part of 'the Bride of Christ'" - F. W. Franz

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Freedom of Religion vs. Freedom of Worship and Belief (or non-belief)

by EdenOne in

i was just wondering about this:.

the laws of the different western countries offer robust protection to religious practice.

but what is the best term to describe it and why?

sparky1

FREEDOM OF RELIGION should somehow be balanced with FREEDOM FROM RELIGION, so that those who wish not to practice any religion at all, can be protected from religious fanatics that think that their religion should be adopted by all mankind.

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How delusional is Tony Morris actually?

by Festus in

anthony morris iii was representing gb in international convention in helsinki, finland.

in his final talk he mentioned that at the fight of armageddon jesus will fight together with the 144 000. he then reminds the audience that one angel destroyed 185000 assyrians.

so what are "144 000 immortal creatures together with jesus going to do".

sparky1

How delusional is Tony Morris actually?

It appears that he 'fancies' himself as some sort of modern day Walt Disney of the Jehovah's Witness Cult. That in itself is pretty 'delusional'.