Posts by sparky1

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Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor in

i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

sparky1

9. "Watchtower......,....never has had, any authority over me." - Gerrit Losch

"Gerrit Losch is a LIAR." - Sparky1

"But it couldn't be proved in the court." - Drearyweather

I am not questioning the conclusions and decisions of the court in regards to Gerrit Losch's CURRENT relationship with Watchtower. Because of the way that the ecclesiastical branch and legal corporations of Jehovah's Witnesses are now structured, he can claim that Watchtower has no authority over him and that would be the truth. Prior to the publication of the article, "A Governing Body as Different from a Legal Corporation" in the December 15, 1971 Watchtower magazine he was under the authority of Watchtower and it's legal corporations. Please don't rehash the court case to say that you disagree with me. I am only calling this one statement that Losch made a lie because the history of the structure of the Jehovah's Witness religion proves his statement to be a lie. Nothing more, nothing less. A lie is still a lie even if it can't be decided as such by a court of law. And I agree whole heartedly with the OP. Gerrit Losch and other members of the Governing Body do not seem to be showing much courage in defense of their faith.

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Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor in

i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

sparky1

"The purposes of this Society are: To act as the servant of and legal world-wide governing agency for that body of Christian persons known as Jehovah's Witnesses;.......to authorize and appoint agents, servants, employees, teachers, instructors, evangelists, missionaries and ministers to go forth to all the world ........" - Taken from the Charter of The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc as quoted in the Yearbook of Jehovah's Witnesses for 1969 pages 49 and 50.

I repeat: Gerrit Losch is a LIAR when he says that 'Watchtower never has had any authority over me.' His appointment as Circuit Servant and Missionary came BEFORE the establishment of the Governing Body and the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. He was AUTHORISED to be a Circuit Servant and a Missionary by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society and in that position he reported to that governing agency. The charter itself even makes the claim that the Watchtower Society is the governing agency for Jehovah's Witnesses. Spin it as you like Drearyweather but Gerrit Losch is a LIAR. He did not appoint himself as a Circuit Servant or Missionary. The authority that granted him those positions was the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Period.

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Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor in

i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

sparky1

"Any authority that exists is what a person gives to them." - Drearyweather

You are correct. Therefore, when Gerrit Losch accepted any appointments within the "Organization" he automatically gave them authority over him. Each of his assignments that he would accept from the "Organization" came on WATCHTOWER stationary. Period. If he were to defy his orders from WATCHTOWER he would lose his position and everything that went along with it. His monthly stipend (wages) his automobile (benefit) and his health insurance(benefit) provided by the WATCHTOWER organization, not the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses. If he decided to leave the Jehovah's Witness religion, that would only prove that he no longer accepts the authority structure of the religion but not that he did not accept that structure in the past. Gerrit Losch has been a Witness for a long time. He was appointed a Circuit Servant in 1963 and attended the 41st class of Gilead in 1965. At the 59th Gilead graduation class, F. W. Franz gave a speech. In that speech he states, 'The Society has the right and authority to send out missionaries.' Gerrit Losch was active in his positions as a Jehovah's Witness pre-Governing Body and pre-Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. Therefore, any position that he accepted came under the authority and direction of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society as the legal arm directing the work of Jehovah's Witness. I hope this helps.

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Be Couragous! - (Like The Governing Body?)

by pale.emperor in

i was watching lloyd evans rebuttal to the saturday program of the be courageous convention.

lloyd pointed out something that had occurred to me as well:.

all this talk and examples of courage, whether it be standing up in class defending intelligent design, putting up with being imprisoned, not running away from bullies, always having a reply to someone who tries to ridicule your faith... the young ones are encourages - nay, commanded - to stand their ground and be courageous.

sparky1

"Watchtower does not have, and never has had, any authority over me."- Gerrit Losch

"Losch was correct in refusing to appear on behalf of "Watchtower" ".- Doubter

Actually, both statements are incorrect. Losch has been around the Jehovah's Witness religion for a long time. Prior to becoming "The Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses" all authority to direct District Overseers, Circuit Overseers, Special Pioneers and Bethelites flowed through the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. Any instructions that he would have received from 'headquarters' would have been on a WATCHTOWER letterhead and rubber stamped Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. or Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania, Inc. If the courts could find early correspondence between the Watchtower headquarters and Gerrit Losch he would easily be proven a LIAR.

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Governing Body trying to control marital relationships

by Whynot in

4 years ago during the circuit overseers visit he asked a rather innapropriate question from the platform.

i say it's innapropriate because i think it's wrong to tell happy married couples how to love each other and much more wrong it is to tell them they should love their children less.. he said: "mothers, who should you love more your children or your husband?

" i think most mothers will quickly say you should love your children more.

sparky1

"And where is the society on tossing salad?" - blownaway

When I was a Bethelite over 40 years ago, we had tossed salad for the evening meal on many occasions.

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Awesome, Awesome Report! Wait till you see the end of it!

by cha ching in

beccah hendrickson of wgal comes thru again!

a fabulous interview with barbara anderson, all the pieces of the puzzle are coming together!

watch out watchtower!

sparky1

Does this help, JaniceA?

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The false prophet strikes again! Didn't anyone notice?

by nowwhat? in

last year during the closing talk our favorite anthony morris lll in all his glory declared" armageddon is imminent!

" on the broadcast screen at every regional convention world wide!

well it has been a year now and if you look at the definition of imminent , we are well past the expiration date..

sparky1

Now lets be fair. Gods Kingdom has only been ruling for 104 years. It's going to take some time for Him to get his Armageddon battle plans and strategy figured out.

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Introduction of Chapter 1 in New Boy and inside look at the world headquarters of the Jehovah's Witnesses

by new boy in

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friends

chapter 1. the pledge.

just a few blocks from the world famous brooklyn bridge there is a huge four building complex.

this prime piece of brooklyn real estate built in 1926 is located at 117 adams street.

sparky1

May I make a suggestion? Why don't you dedicate the book to James Olson and mail a copy to each member of the Governing Body. When it is in print I would like to purchase a copy. Please let us know when it will be available. "Thinking back to old memories and wishing you could change the past." - Anonymous

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New kingdom hall Washington State

by Are you serious in

yesterday i drove passed a town a couple of hours from my home and saw this kh under construction.

this is the first new design kh i've seen in washington state even though i would think by now another one or two have been built.

maybe not with their financial situation being the way it is.

sparky1

This is exactly the architectural abomination that the Witnesses in my area recently got. Only their new hall is built in a rural area on a back road beside a sand pit.

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/6354020051451904/kingdom-

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Corporate Virtue Signalling At Your Expense

by Simon in

the latest trend seems to be that you can't go to any store without being asked for money.. no, not the money for the things you went in there to purchase, extra money for the store to donate to charity.. yes, that's right, the big-name stores, often making $millions in profits, ask you to give them extra money so that they can give it to charity and get some publicity about how awesome they are so that they'll look good to their customers, like, erm, you.. it seems to have ramped up more in the last year or so and frankly, it pisses me off.

if i want to donate to some cause, i'll give the money straight to them.

i hate that it puts people on the spot to guilt them into donating and imagine some people on a tight budget may give even when they can't really afford it.. often you don't know what the charities really are (it's vague like "to help children") or how the money will be spent or even how much will go on the people it's supposedly to help (charity is a multi $billion industry, some just exist to pay themselves).. so what to do?

sparky1

I am in the automotive aftermarket business and my main supplier is in to this BIG TIME. To make matters worse, my supplier pre-bills us for these charity campaigns. We are charged on our statement for participating in this fraud and we have to sign a form if we want to opt-out and not participate! If we don't participate we are considered not to be team players. This morning, I opened our company email only to find another one of these requests from one of our vendors. If I want to donate to a cause, I will do so privately and anonymously.